Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
That's a bold claim to make considering He's never been beaten by any of his team mates over a season.

But that just isn't true, at all.

Ignoring that falsehood, there really is nothing bold about my claim which is widely accepted and is based on observations of Alonso throughout his formula one career.
 
Irrelevant.

Hamilton was 2nd, Alonso was 3rd.

Ergo Alonso was beaten by Hamilton in the WDC.

Arguing about it more is only going to make you look foolish.
 
Alonso wasn't beaten on points, he was beaten on podium finishes. Hamilton had more second places than Alonso therefore Alonso was beaten by Hamilton.

I'm a fan of Alonso but he was simply beaten that year.
 
Arguing about it more is only going to make you look foolish.

I'm not arguing. I really don't care about it.
Statistics are just that..Statistics

Assumptions are opinions based on expectation. I have made no assumptions.


Well you're assuming Alonso cant deal with competitive team mates which is a myth
I really dont care either way
 
It's not a statistic, it's a historical record.

You were the one who claimed Alonso had never been beaten by a team mate.
Myself and others have proven that claim to be false.
 
And results are results. The means by which competitors are measured.

Yes and looking back to 2007 it was a draw. Same amount of wins, points...not sure about pole positions

It's not a statistic, it's a historical record.

You were the one who claimed Alonso had never been beaten by a team mate.
Myself and others have proven that claim to be false.

Well technically he's never been beaten. Finishing level on points isn't losing, a football match which ends 1-1 is a draw and finishing equal on 109 points is a draw. Yes he had one fewer 3rd place or whatever but its the points that count in the end and to my mind, it was even stevens

Like i said before though, i really dont care about it.
 
Yes and looking back to 2007 it was a draw. Same amount of wins, points...not sure about pole positions



Well technically he's never been beaten. Finishing level on points isn't losing, a football match which ends 1-1 is a draw and finishing equal on 109 points is a draw. Yes he had one fewer 3rd place or whatever but its the points that count in the end and to my mind, it was even stevens

Like i said before though, i really dont care about it.

If you don't care then why do you insist on flogging this dead horse. There are opinions and facts. In this case you are arguing against well documented facts which is absolutely futile.

Im not even sure why you brought it up or even think it is relevant to the original conversation.
 
Yet you keep making the false claim that he has never been beaten :rolleyes:

Sure! i've simply stated they finished level on points thus they finished even stevens in the end. How is that, in any way shape or form false

So, tell me, where else is the education system wrong? :twisted:

Wow, low blow but im cool with it :D lol.
I'm done here i think
 
Well technically he's never been beaten. Finishing level on points isn't losing, a football match which ends 1-1 is a draw and finishing equal on 109 points is a draw. .

Good analogy, but consider this, Barcalona and Arsenal, CL knockout match, Arsenal score one goal at home and one away, Barca score two goals at home. So two goals apiece 2-2 , who wins? Who goes through to the final, can't have both teams, if Arsenal rightly go through to the final on the away goal rule would you forever say Barca were not beaten and drew the semis?
 
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