Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Wow, never knew this thread existed :)

Tremendous performance from Nando today. Very few drivers, (if anyone at all) could have dragged that tank of a Ferrari to P5. His battle Vs Maldonado was very interesting, edge of the seat stuff at times (for me anyway :D )

Title challenge is ON i say :) Its damage limitation from now until Ferrari roll out the next heavy update in a few races time. Hopefully the gap to the top guns will steadily close, im optimistic Ferrari can turn it around
 
For Ferrari with their current problems, I doubt that there is any more attractive driver than thier competent spaniard. Apparently you can polish a turd if you've got the right man for the job. Filipe is proving that most people would just step in it and end up with dirty shoes and a lingering stink.
 
Alonso is one of (if not the best) driver on the grid when it comes to outperforming the car, if he was in a McLaren or Red Bull, he'd have walked the race today
 
Hmm. I wouldn't go that far. I think Button was untouchable. That's the sort of comments we heard last year where people were imagining other drivers in Vettel or Webber's cockpit..

Today was one of those days where Button was completely hooked up in the car. Alonso getting a great result out of an unbalanced bag of bolts does not indicate that he would do a better job than xyz-driver in a car that's planted. There is no evidence for that, whatsoever. It is certainly not the statement that I was making when I began to sing his praises a moment ago.

Additionally, what this weekend has shown when we contrast to last year is the difference that technical regs make in bringing a car towards a driver. I think we may see the pendulum swing in a few of the teams this year. Although that's a different topic.
 
Alonso getting a great result out of an unbalanced bag of bolts does not indicate that he would do a better job than xyz-driver in a car that's planted. There is no evidence for that, whatsoever.

There is a mountain of evidence to suggest Alonso could at least match or beat any of the top drivers in equal machinery. You just have to look through his whole career, From his Minardi days to present ..he's driven the wheels off every car he's had, whether its midfield runner or just off the pace, he's always up there fighting for podiums and wins.

He's especially been immense for the past two seasons and almost one the WDC in 2010 in the third best car. That's evidence enough me thinks
 
There is a mountain of evidence to suggest Alonso could at least match or beat any of the top drivers in equal machinery. You just have to look through his whole career, From his Minardi days to present ..he's driven the wheels off every car he's had, whether its midfield runner or just off the pace, he's always up there fighting for podiums and wins.

He's especially been immense for the past two seasons and almost one the WDC in 2010 in the third best car. That's evidence enough me thinks

I'm not disputing that he is a fantastic driver or that there is much evidence of that. The only reason I replied as such is that I made a statement based on Ferrari having put drivers in crap cars for a few years now and Fernando has got the best out of them and often more than would be reasonably expected. This is based on evidence. To state that he would have beaten Jenson, Lewis or Seb had he been in a Red Bull or a McLaren today, though, is much more speculative. I wanted to be sure to disassociate the two statements.

MCLS inferred a hypothetical direct driver comparison in equal equipment. We only have evidence of this against one of the drivers in those cars and Fernando did not come out on top in that occasion. That was a long time ago, however, so I think we can also discount that comparison too.

Perhaps I am being hypocritical to an extent and it could be equally argued that any number of drivers could have done a better job than Alonso in the Ferrari today. I have less faith in that though, so just wanted to be clear that MCLS's statement is not an extension of my own opinion.
 
I will say that Fernando did an amazing job getting fifth with the car he was given to drive today. I'm not getting into whether that was better than Button though! Just that Alonso did a very good job :)
 
Just saw Nando's start from onboard. He gained at least 5 places by taking to the inside of Turn 1. It was like everybody on the outside jumped out of his way.
 
Just saw Nando's start from onboard. He gained at least 5 places by taking to the inside of Turn 1. It was like everybody on the outside jumped out of his way.

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Maybe he learned his lesson from last year's race, where precisely the opposite thing happened?
 
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Maybe he learned his lesson from last year's race, where precisely the opposite thing happened?


Probably. The outside rarely works there. Unless of course you're a rookie in your first GP and you want to have a go at your twice-reigning WDC teammate :whistle:
 
I think it's fair to say Fernando needs a more competitive team mate...

I agree with that. Bring in Hamilton Ferrari :D

I'm sure Alonso has no need for that. He doesn't deal well with competitive teammates. Ferrari have good reason to want a more competitive driver in the other car though.

That's a bold claim to make considering He's never been beaten by any of his team mates over a season.
 
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