Grand Prix 2025 Mexican Grand Prix

Rather than guff on about the problems (?) at McLaren, Verstappen's sudden dash for the title, or the moderate resurgence of Ferrari, in the USA at least, let's talk altitude.

Mexico city is at an altitude of 2,240 metres, or 7,350ft in old money. During the F1 weekend we will hear lots of talk about the "thin air", and engines not being able to "breathe" in the same way. But what actually is the problem? The air we breathe is made up of different gases. Roughly 78% is nitrogen, 21% is oxygen, and the rest is other gases like CO2, helium, methane and others.

As altitude increases this mix of gases doesn't change. However, at sea level gravity pulls air molecules closer together. The higher you go, the less the effect of gravity and the density reduces. A more practical way to explain this is to think of air as a liquid, and then think of the Titan submersible. The lower in went in to the sea the more pressure there was on it's hull as the gravitational effect was higher and the sea above exerted more pressure until it went pop.

So if you were to inflate a balloon at sea level and then carry it up a mountain, assuming none of the gas could escape the balloon would slowly expand.

Now what does this do to an F1 engine? For a normally aspirated engine, lower air density would mean less power as there is less oxygen per cubic centimeter of air being drawn into the engine. And it's the oxygen which is needed to make the fuel go bang. However, the engines in modern F1 cars have turbochargers, and the purpose of a turbocharger is to increase the pressure of the air feeding in to the cylinders. Not a problem then? But no, the turbocharger has to work harder to compress the less dense air, meaning it is put under greater stress and runs hotter. Also, turbochargers use an intercooler to reduce the air temperature before it goes in to the cylinder, and cooling this air is more difficult due to the lower air density. This also means that other cooling systems, such as the radiators, are less efficient, and the engines will run hotter, making them more likely to fail. Unfortunately, modern F1 cars are still very reliable, even at altitude.

There are other effect on F1 cars due to the lower air density. The aerodynamics designed to push the car down on to the track are less effective in the corners, but when the cars accelerate and run down a long straight, the resistance is lower. Last year Charles le Clerc topped the speed traps at just over 350 kmh or 217.5 mph. That means the car covers 100 metres in a little over 1 second.

So there's my preview of the Mexican GP. Here are the timings of the Sky coverage. Enjoy.

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for once i was interested in the replays as we never saw the middle of the incident. we saw max locked up completely out of control thats it

i wonder if with his many tangles & locking up twice in 10 laps, verstappen had already ruined his tyres
 
i dont know if its the dirge we had since summer break bar zandvoort. or very low expectations but im enjoying this for the 1st time in a while
 
I was busy watching the Darts and thought the start time was later than it was so ended up only seeing the last 20 or so laps.

Regardless of how good or not the race was, the apparently totally unnecessary virtual safety car at the end messed the race right up.
 
it did. vsc person either a ferrari fan or hates red bull. i thought id be able to watch both but F1 finally turned up & i forgot about darts. just watched it on ITV4 +1
To be honest, Verstappen shouldn’t have been in the position he was anyway, as it was only because Hamilton had a 10 second penalty… yet Verstappen didn’t get a penalty for divebombing Hamilton, hitting his car, forcing him off the track, and then gaining an advantage off the track.

Either both Verstappen and Hamilton needed a penalty, or neither.
 
To be honest, Verstappen shouldn’t have been in the position he was anyway, as it was only because Hamilton had a 10 second penalty… yet Verstappen didn’t get a penalty for divebombing Hamilton, hitting his car, forcing him off the track, and then gaining an advantage off the track.

Either both Verstappen and Hamilton needed a penalty, or neither.
im amazed he got nothing for Lap 1. Verstappen barely braked, was completely out of control. then went across the grass & yet nothing
 
I'm trying to think of a similar lead overturning (or the risk there of) end of season fade away in a year that hasn't been affected by a significant driver injury or disqualification.

If Norris (or very unlikely but still possible Verstappen) wins the season I think you'd have to go back as far as 1981 and Carlos Reutemann to see something similar.
Probably yes if you are talking about such slump
 
I was busy watching the Darts and thought the start time was later than it was so ended up only seeing the last 20 or so laps.

Regardless of how good or not the race was, the apparently totally unnecessary virtual safety car at the end messed the race right up.
Christian Horner would have been shouting one more lap
 
im amazed he got nothing for Lap 1. Verstappen barely braked, was completely out of control. then went across the grass & yet nothing
That's why I want gravel traps back even he admitted to rallying

It seems reminded of the incompetence of 2018 has made the stewards decide heavy handed punishment for Hamilton
 
That's why I want gravel traps back even he admitted to rallying

It seems reminded of the incompetence of 2018 has made the stewards decide heavy handed punishment for Hamilton
i enjoyed the pundits joking post qualifying about 1st lap predictions. knowing it wasnt if, it was who goes across the grass this year. he kind of fooled the stewards, because Russell is correct Verstappen shouldve dropped behind him as well, but he gave up 2 but gained 1. what was he thinking was going to happen. he was never making that corner in a million years

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& also Leclerc really shouldve given the place back to hamilton as. he never made an attempt at T2 & cut the corner. likely got lucky it was his teammate

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i enjoyed the pundits joking post qualifying about 1st lap predictions. knowing it wasnt if, it was who goes across the grass this year. he kind of fooled the stewards, because Russell is correct Verstappen shouldve dropped behind him as well, but he gave up 2 but gained 1. what was he thinking was going to happen. he was never making that corner in a million years

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& also Leclerc really shouldve given the place back to hamilton as. he never made an attempt at T2 & cut the corner. likely got lucky it was his teammate

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My first thought was that Verstappen never intended to make that corner. He was steaming into T1 flat out, and braked later (on the dirt) than the cars around him. He effectively gave enough brake so that he wouldn't run into the wall at the edge of the grass.

When the Mexico city circuit was used pre 1992, I can't remember any cases of drivers just keeping their foot in, and jumping across that piece of run-off - probably because the grass was much less smooth back then, and driving off circuit would damage the car.

F1 really needs to fix this plague of corner jumping. I've always thought that an effective way would be that:
  • If you jump a corner like this, you must drive through the pits on the next lap so that the team can give a visual inspection to your car
  • If you are overtaking on the inside, and do not leave enough room on the outside for the other car, irrespective of where your front wheel is, on the exit of the corner, you will get a drive-through penalty. (This is to prevent cars forcing their rivals off the track)
 
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