Grand Prix 2025 Mexican Grand Prix

Rather than guff on about the problems (?) at McLaren, Verstappen's sudden dash for the title, or the moderate resurgence of Ferrari, in the USA at least, let's talk altitude.

Mexico city is at an altitude of 2,240 metres, or 7,350ft in old money. During the F1 weekend we will hear lots of talk about the "thin air", and engines not being able to "breathe" in the same way. But what actually is the problem? The air we breathe is made up of different gases. Roughly 78% is nitrogen, 21% is oxygen, and the rest is other gases like CO2, helium, methane and others.

As altitude increases this mix of gases doesn't change. However, at sea level gravity pulls air molecules closer together. The higher you go, the less the effect of gravity and the density reduces. A more practical way to explain this is to think of air as a liquid, and then think of the Titan submersible. The lower in went in to the sea the more pressure there was on it's hull as the gravitational effect was higher and the sea above exerted more pressure until it went pop.

So if you were to inflate a balloon at sea level and then carry it up a mountain, assuming none of the gas could escape the balloon would slowly expand.

Now what does this do to an F1 engine? For a normally aspirated engine, lower air density would mean less power as there is less oxygen per cubic centimeter of air being drawn into the engine. And it's the oxygen which is needed to make the fuel go bang. However, the engines in modern F1 cars have turbochargers, and the purpose of a turbocharger is to increase the pressure of the air feeding in to the cylinders. Not a problem then? But no, the turbocharger has to work harder to compress the less dense air, meaning it is put under greater stress and runs hotter. Also, turbochargers use an intercooler to reduce the air temperature before it goes in to the cylinder, and cooling this air is more difficult due to the lower air density. This also means that other cooling systems, such as the radiators, are less efficient, and the engines will run hotter, making them more likely to fail. Unfortunately, modern F1 cars are still very reliable, even at altitude.

There are other effect on F1 cars due to the lower air density. The aerodynamics designed to push the car down on to the track are less effective in the corners, but when the cars accelerate and run down a long straight, the resistance is lower. Last year Charles le Clerc topped the speed traps at just over 350 kmh or 217.5 mph. That means the car covers 100 metres in a little over 1 second.

So there's my preview of the Mexican GP. Here are the timings of the Sky coverage. Enjoy.

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i love F1, i always have its hard to stop doing something after 27 yrs. you'll always get dragged back. but my enthusiasm for F1 has waned, i seen alot of people who thought that austin was a cracking race. leclerc & norris battle was 1 of the highlights of the season.

clear that many fans watch F1 for many different reasons, that’s clear after Austin. i think George was spot on about these 💩 ground effect cars & his "race to turn 1" comment & alluding to that they’ve made racing predictable & processional. because as Lando proved that unless you have a massive pace advantage of 2 seconds a lap, your not getting past

so i did some digging
  • 17 of 23 sprint/GPs this season were won by the driver who led out of Turn 1.
  • It’s 19 of 23, race is decided before we even get to Turn 3.
  • The last 6 races have been over by Turn 1,
  • 8 of the last 9 before Turn 3.
I say this because i & we love F1, but it can & should be so much better. its like your child that your annoyed at but still love
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So far, it seems that Piastri is having another off weekend... He was nowhere in FP1, then nowhere again in FP2 - and even in the long runs, on the same compound tyre as Norris, he was often a second a lap behind (although Norris was lapping between 0.5 and 1 seconds faster than everyone yesterday on the long runs).

Given how quickly Verstappen is catching up, if Norris were to overhaul Piastri this weekend, it would not surprise me to see team orders come into play - just to protect the chance of winning McLaren's first WDC since 2008.
 
i wonder if since Baku he has tighten up, & comes with the change in mentality from lando in singapore. in a football term he was 3-0 up & its gone 3-1 now 3-2. he's hanging on. he needs that throwing caution to the wind drive that Button had when he trying to fall over the line in 2009

would be apt if piastri lost 2025 the same way webber lost 2010

if mclaren do go full 2007 & manage to lose a 2 horse race. despite having both horses, it will be managerial complency that has cost them more. as to stop development in june/early july. was far too early. your asking for trouble. at the rate of development we see in F1
 
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It still annoys me. This isn’t an attack on defensive driving, their within their rights to fight, but for Norris to be 1.7 seconds quicker and have no chance of overtaking was so demoralizing. It’s disappointing that Carlos Sainz’s 3rd place feels diminished in hindsight, because it really was on merit, he just qualified well, and nobody could overtake.
 
oh piastri. like many drivers, i think the pressures is getting to him & he likely driving too hard. easier said than done but he needs to relax. & ironically psychologically maybe losing the lead might help him win

but if he needs advice mark webber is great guy to have from his 2010 issue
 
Piastri - Baku lap 1 and COTA sprint has definitely changed his mental process. I wonder if he will attack Verstappen seeing he is right behind him

Norris has a great buffer of cars between him and his two rivals
 
I'm trying to think of a similar lead overturning (or the risk there of) end of season fade away in a year that hasn't been affected by a significant driver injury or disqualification.

If Norris (or very unlikely but still possible Verstappen) wins the season I think you'd have to go back as far as 1981 and Carlos Reutemann to see something similar.
 
I'm trying to think of a similar lead overturning (or the risk there of) end of season fade away in a year that hasn't been affected by a significant driver injury or disqualification.

If Norris (or very unlikely but still possible Verstappen) wins the season I think you'd have to go back as far as 1981 and Carlos Reutemann to see something similar.
my guess is kimi incredible comeback in 2007 when he was 17pts behind with 20 available

but from this far out unsure
 
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Yeah, that would be up there. Definitely.

Obviously 2007 was hugely effected by Spygate and McLaren's bizarre decision in China in the face of all sensible advice to leave Hamilton out until they could see the whites of his tyres.
 
I'm trying to think of a similar lead overturning (or the risk there of) end of season fade away in a year that hasn't been affected by a significant driver injury or disqualification.

If Norris (or very unlikely but still possible Verstappen) wins the season I think you'd have to go back as far as 1981 and Carlos Reutemann to see something similar.
I was thinking about the 2009 season.
 
i will never understand that complete meltdown on the pitwall. i still remember them saying that he was 10 seconds a lap slower on those worn intermediates
 
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