Grand Prix 2025 Las Vegas Grand Prix

[Il_leone]

I had an inkling Mclaren were not to come out this race well as I could not sleep

Verstappen's Spain penalty equalised now

 

[cider_and_toast]

hopefully this removes the suggestion that McLaren are favouring Norris!

But what if they're forcing Piastri to use Lando's set up?

The one thing that annoys me is that there is an inconsistency in how rules are applied. If the breach was found after qualifying, the cars would have been disqualified from qualifying, but allowed to race. If the breach is found after the race (even though it might have been present in qualifying), they are removed completely from the results, and get zero points.

But that makes sense doesn't it? Found after qualification, thrown out of qualification. Found after the race, thrown out of the race.

It would be extremely harsh if they're disqualified from the whole weekend for a violation in qualifying. That would have to be applied to almost any breach of qualifying rules as well.

 

[The Artist.....]

cider_and_toast - I disagree - because of the parc-ferme regulations, you can't have an advantage "just" isolated to a race, or "just" to qualifying. If a car is illegal during the weekend, it is bizarre that if that is found before the race, the teams can fix it, but if it is found after the race, the teams can't fix it. No team deliberately runs illegal parts or set ups on the car, and the penalty effectively changes when the breach is found.

If you are going to disqualify a driver for running an illegal part after the race, the team should face exactly the same consequence.

I think that there is a difference between a sporting penalty and a technical penalty... But if a driver does something in qualifying that would disqualify them from the race, then I think they should be disqualified from the race as well.

 

[F1Brits_90]

One thing that this indicates is that both cars are running more or less the same set up. Whilst it’s galling for the team to have both cars disqualified, hopefully this removes the suggestion that McLaren are favouring Norris!

but norris pitstop was 0.2 seconds quicker

 

[Il_leone]

I remember the old rule if you missed scrutineering in quali you got disqualified and that was your weekend instead of starting last

 

[FB]

Can someone explain to me how we have had to sit for hours waiting for qualifying or a race to start because it was "too wet", but when all the greedy casinos need their main road back open the F1 drivers are shoved out on to the track and told to get on with it?

 

[cider_and_toast]

But if a driver does something in qualifying that would disqualify them from the race, then I think they should be disqualified from the race as well.

Would the same apply for Sprint weekends as well? What would happen if the blocks were found to be warn in Sprint qualifying for example?

It's such a minefield and the FIA do nothing to help themselves. The part about trying to prove it gained no advantage for example. It's either legal or illegal.

 

[Il_leone]

The game has changed and Piastri is not going to worry about being rear guard

 

[Brogan]

If Verstappen wins the WDC due to this, I'm deleting the fucking site.

 

[Andyoak]

It's got all the hallmarks of interference to take the championship to the last race.

Historically (in my mind) the dominant driver of the era rarely (if ever) wins the last championship before a major specification change.

It's as if anointing the new team to beat...

 

[F1Brits_90]

as much as i dont want verstappen to win 5 in a row. its not a conspriacy these plank rules have been around for 30 years & multiple people have been caught out by it. Hamilton got DSQ'd in austin 2023 & china 2024 for the same thing, lack of race runs & mercedes accidently set the car a bit too low

 

[Brogan]

I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy or (another) manufactured race, I just can't stand the weasel faced ****.

 

[F1Brits_90]

I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy or (another) manufactured race, I just can't stand the weasel faced ****.

i cant stand him or his fans crowing again. but it was more Andyoak post

 

[RichardNSX92]

It starts with Verstappen making a questionable move to get out in front. And you know what happens then. The race is over on the first turn of lap 1. Verstappen always wins when he gets to be the leader in the race. I was ready to turn off my TV watching the Las Vegas race after the 1st turn of the race, because the race was already decided, and it's boring to watch Max get at least 5 -15 seconds ahead by the end of the race after leading the entire time.

I think the disqualifcation of Norris and Piastri was very unfair, considering that they were 0.10 mm thin in the blocks, after a wet practice and qualifying. The F1 rules can be ridiculous, as they were this time. The FIA just wants Max to win the champtionship because 5 in a row makes hime a bigger hero, which makes revenue that much greater.

 

[Il_leone]

I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy or (another) manufactured race, I just can't stand the weasel faced ****.

Tell that to all the Dutch and South African racist fans on Facebook who off course are lapping it at the moment and loving every minute of Hamilton's pain

That penalty in Spain has been equalised

Sprint weekends are causing real havoc with setting the car up seeing the numerous disqualifications have happened when the weekend includes a sprint . Las Vegas - the stupid man hole problems followed by the rain has caught Mclaren out

 

[F1Brits_90]

It starts with Verstappen making a questionable move to get out in front. And you know what happens then. The race is over on the first turn of lap 1. Verstappen always wins when he gets to be the leader in the race. I was ready to turn off my TV watching the Las Vegas race after the 1st turn of the race, because the race was already decided, and it's boring to watch Max get at least 5 -15 seconds ahead by the end of the race after leading the entire time.

I think the disqualifcation of Norris and Piastri was very unfair, considering that they were 0.10 mm thin in the blocks, after a wet practice and qualifying. The F1 rules can be ridiculous, as they were this time. The FIA just wants Max to win the champtionship because 5 in a row makes hime a bigger hero, which makes revenue that much greater.

rules are rules im sure the legality is 10mm & they were at 9mm. no conspiracy for the same reason that FIA were helping damon hill in 1994 when Schumacher was disqualified at spa 1994

 

[The Artist.....]

rules are rules im sure the legality is 10mm & they were at 9mm. no conspiracy for the same reason that FIA were helping damon hill in 1994 when Schumacher was disqualified at spa 1994

Not quite…. New, the plank needs to be 10mm. Allowed wear is 1mm (to 9mm). The McLaren rear link measured 8.95mm at the rear, and 8.88mm at the front. The most recent equivalent was Hamilton in China, where the measurement was 8.45mm.

Oh, and I have absolute certainty that Schumacher was disqualified at Spa to ensure that there was excitement in the championship. From Silverstone onwards, Schumacher was DSQ from Silverstone (for an offence that no-one had previously been penalised for), was disqualified from Spa (for an offence that was explainable by the spin across the kerbs) - had he not been disqualified from these two events, he’d have won the championship in Spa.

 

[cider_and_toast]

1994 was a cluster from start to finish. Benetton could have been disqualified four times over. Let's not forget they had launch control software in their ECU which they promised they didn't use "Honest Guv". Then there was the illegal modification to their fuel rig that almost barbecued Jos Verstappen.

It's somewhat ironic that the thing that Schumacher got a two race ban for, the ignoring the black flag at Silverstone, was probably the one thing they shouldn't have actually had a ban for such was the omnishambles in the way that whole thing was managed.

The DSQ for Silverstone and Belgium were probably fair and correct. The two race ban probably not so.

The FIA at the time were probably trying to deflect a lot of attention away from their piss poor handling of the rule changes over the close season. The decision to rip out all the driver aids which left cars dramatically too quick for their stability contributed to the death of two drivers and the serious injuries to several others. It was a decision similar to ripping out the flight computer in a modern jet fighter, which is by design aerodynamically unstable, without doing anything else to improve pilot control and aerodynamics.

 

[F1Brits_90]

Not quite…. New, the plank needs to be 10mm. Allowed wear is 1mm (to 9mm). The McLaren rear link measured 8.95mm at the rear, and 8.88mm at the front. The most recent equivalent was Hamilton in China, where the measurement was 8.45mm.

Oh, and I have absolute certainty that Schumacher was disqualified at Spa to ensure that there was excitement in the championship. From Silverstone onwards, Schumacher was DSQ from Silverstone (for an offence that no-one had previously been penalised for), was disqualified from Spa (for an offence that was explainable by the spin across the kerbs) - had he not been disqualified from these two events, he’d have won the championship in Spa.

im too young for 1994, so can only come at this from hindsight. but rules are rules & i believe these plank rules are strict because stem from investigation from senna fatal accident, some F1 rules are black & white. you cant go below 9mm in the same way, if you only have 975ml for fuel sample you'll be thrown out

i will say if there was any benefit of the doubt to give to Schumacher & Benetton I think the problem in 1994 was that any ‘benefit of the doubt’ had evaporated by mid-season. Looking back at old race reports, documentaries and classic broadcasts, there were already a lot of questions around them, from traction control & launch control allegations, to unsafely messing with the refueling hose. then im not surprised by his DSQ at British gp. because he got a penalty & then refused to served it & even today if you don't serve it within 3 laps, you would get the same penalty to stop anyone else even thinking about it

So by the time they reached Spa, it’s not surprising the stewards weren’t inclined to accept explanations at face value

The stewards even sought the help of the Clerk of the Course, who suggested the kerb in question was too flat to have done as much damage as Benetton was claiming. An inspection of the kerb was carried out, and “no piece of wood could be found either on top or at the side of the relevant kerb. The offending area on Schumacher’s car was much further forward than the marks that were attributed to the spin - suggesting the front of the car was running too low. And the FIA said the signs of wear were “very light”, with any markings being longitudinal. That description seemed pretty consistent with the idea of the plank just rubbing on the ground too much while the car was going around the circuit as normal

Why F1's first plank DSQ was far more controversial

the more i write & read about 1994 Benetton had a bit of that ‘rules don’t apply to us’ you sometimes see with Red Bull under Horner when they push the limits and then get upset when the FIA clamps down.

 

[cider_and_toast]

The two race ban was probably the most controversial bit.

Benetton had already been penalised for the British GP but then the FIA intervened and quadrupled down on the punishment.

1994 had very few highlights. A season better forgotten.