Grand Prix 2019 British Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Ruslan

Points Scorer
its a bit rich coming from Max that he can't take a bit of shoving:whistle:
Well, he certainly has been one of the worst offenders about this. On the other hand, apparently it is no longer an offense. We shall see how that works out.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
It was. Sort of makes your point that neither Vettel in Canada nor Verstappen in Austria should have been penalized.
as i was saying post Austria. ferrari can just call themselves extremely unlucky to be on the end of "old" & "new" interpretations of what the limit is

have liberty media had a chat with stewards to allow battles like that
 

Angel

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as i was saying post Austria. ferrari can just call themselves extremely unlucky to be on the end of "old" & "new" interpretations of what the limit is

have liberty media had a chat with stewards to allow battles like that
Maybe the public outcry at the penalties or non penalties has made them think again about what the fans want. Not that what we want usually counts for much of course.
 
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Ruslan

Points Scorer
as i was saying post Austria. ferrari can just call themselves extremely unlucky to be on the end of "old" & "new" interpretations of what the limit is

have liberty media had a chat with stewards to allow battles like that
Well, it may have cost them two wins....lost race in Canada because of the penalties and lost race in Austria because there was no penalty.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Well, it may have cost them two wins....lost race in Canada because of the penalties and lost race in Austria because there was no penalty.
well they did finally morally win the Canada argument. but im sure they'd rather have the wins in Bahrain Canada & Austria
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
well they did finally morally win the Canada argument. but im sure they'd rather have the wins in Bahrain Canada & Austria
Well, because one could make the argument that Canada was because of unsafe re-entry of the track, the “lessons” here are not that clear. We shall see how other stewards rule. I don’t think they (FIA or F1) are out of woods yet on this issue.
 
Well, because one could make the argument that Canada was because of unsafe re-entry of the track, the “lessons” here are not that clear. We shall see how other stewards rule. I don’t think they (FIA or F1) are out of woods yet on this issue.
I agree, I think that we need further proof that the attitude has changed (besides with the stewards changing at every race and no clear guidance on the interpretation of the rules any new "approach" by the stewards by definition is going to be very shaky)
 

Lewywo4

Race Winner
Yeah but the safety car coming when it did had an effect, as did the fact Bottas went onto the same tyres at his stop meaning he had to stop again. I'm not saying Hamilton wouldn't have beaten him anyway, he could well have done, but the luck ran his way on Sunday and made it easier for him there's no denying that surely.
Luck had nothing to do with Lewis deciding on a one stop strategy, using the hard tire on his one and only stop. As Andrew Benson the BBC's chief F1 writer said, " Hamilton didn't need the safety car."

He also said, " What Hamilton did next was going to win him the race, safety car or no safety car. He had already decided before the Grand prix had started that he was going to try to go for a one stop strategy, knowing Bottas was doing two. That meant looking after his tires and extending his first stint as long as possible. Hamilton did this superbly, keeping his tires in much better condition than Bottas could. When Bottas re-emerged from his pit stop on lap 16, he was only slightly faster than Hamilton. That meant that when Hamilton did stop-which would have been more or less at the time the safety car came out anyway - he would have rejoined only a second or two behind his team-mate. With Bottas still needing to stop again, that was effectively game over."

Lewis said, " I could have just sat behind him, if I'd wanted to, and waited for him to stop again."
 

Lewywo4

Race Winner
More likely a decision by Toto Wolff.
No....it wasn't at all a decision made by Toto, and it was Lewis who took the initiative to run the hard tire on his first stop.

As Mark Hughes said, " Hamilton had a plan. The Mercedes team had a plan. But they weren't the same plan."

Hughes also said " He was pretty sure he could make it only on a one stop strategy. In the full knowledge that Bottas had bought into, and committed to the two stop plan. All Hamilton had to do was stay in touch, keep his tyres in good enough shape to run longer, and then ask for the hard. Giving him the opportunity to one stop, with Bottas trapped into a two. It was audacious, but he was backing his own ability."

As Lewis said, " I had to figure out how to get pass this guy, and I'd decided before the morning what I was going to do," and he did it.
 

Lewywo4

Race Winner
But he might not have been able to do had Bottas been put on hard tyres.

We don't know how fast Valterri would've been on the hard tires, but we do know that Lewis on the hard, was as fast or faster than him during the race. While Bottas was both on the medium and soft tires.
 
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