Grand Prix 2018 Japanese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Titch

Champion Elect
Premium Contributor
Ferrari have shot themselves in the foot. Again. How many more daft decisions will they make before Vettel decides to walk.
 

Angel

Happy to help.
Contributor
Ricciardo betrayed them by letting them think he was staying and then announcing he's not. I never expected him to do well after that. You can't treat people that way and expect them to be that nice to you.

As for Ferrari, all I can say is :givemestrength:
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
yeah really feel for riccardio never seen him so angry or he did a good time in hiding it at monaco, 5th time in 7 races missing Q3, but it happens usually its 1 driver gets all the bad luck, last season it was Verstappen although some bad luck some self inflicted. worse for Riccardo is that this is a Renault problem so its not Verstappen who feels he gets a fresh start next year. he still got this problem in 2019

interesting bit from the Alonso interview that he slipped out that McLarens last update was spain. which explains there shocking performance for the majority of the season. even Williams have overtaken them here, which credit to stroll that was an great lap in Q1 to beat hulkenburg

Ferrari & Vettel proving yet again when they are flustered & under pressure. they make mistakes. im not saying inters was a bad idea because honestly I was surprised more didnt, but Ferrari are at the bottom of the pit lane & time is such precious commodity in those conditions. so why did Ferrari take 5 mins of thinking & strategy time away from themselves by punting for inters so early, when they could've like Mercedes use your pit lane advantage make your decision on a drying track. then vettel a guy of his expierence a 4x world champion & a 11 season veteran of F1, you would've thought he would've learnt to stay off the kerbs in rain. which cost him sending him flying off.

if I have my mathematics correct if Hamilton wins - Vettel 5th in Japan & Hamilton wins - Vettel 3rd or lower in USA or Hamilton wins - Vettel 4th & 4th or lower in both. then that is title over at COTA as their would be 76 pt lead with 75 remaining
 
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Titch

Champion Elect
Premium Contributor
That’s true. But was his mistake made because he had the wrong tyres on the car ?
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
Thanks for cheering me up there Ruslan ;):snigger:
Unfortunately, I do have a strong bias towards the truth. Not real good at "white lies."

Let me try......Vettel still have a very good chance, Hamilton when he is leading spends to much time on the radio being uptight and this will certainly cause an error.

That wasn't a very good attempt.

I think this season is over. Hamilton will probably win tomorrow and the best Vettel can hope for is third. Then it is a 60 point lead with 4 races left. The real problem is that it appears that Ferrari's advantage for part of this season is due to its "trick" with the batteries. That advantage had disappeared. Now it is clear that Mercedes still holds an advantage in overall development. That advantage will carry into next year. This has been the problem all along. Until something disrupts Mercedes, no one is really going to catch them. They have great engineering, good organization, tons of money (the most), are already well developed, and one great driver. Ferrari is going to have get better at them at something, and I don't think they can. Ferrari are close, so certainly the first half of 2019 and 2020 will be interesting, but right now I suspect that as each season develops, Mercedes will once again establish themselves. Are we looking at Lewis Hamilton was WC for 2018/2019/2020? This really is a possible scenario.

The only thing that will chance the equation now I suspect is rule changes and budget caps. I gather those are both coming in 2021...but I note that the rule changes are fairly conservative.
 
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vintly

Mostly bacon
Premium Contributor
The rain made it quite an interesting quali in the end. Watched Q2 and Q3 on the laptop in bed then went back to sleep, lovely.

Now the season is 100% guaranteed over - there is no doubt who will be WDC - I will enjoy watching the sorry faces at Ferrari for the next few races. And they should be sorry after that debacle in Q3. Pressure, pure and simple, you could almost hear them thinking ‘We must be bold and radical in our thinking and take risks to be able to win! Put on wets and get a quick lap before it gets worse! Oh. Bugger.’
 

Clay

Test Driver
I think this season is over. Hamilton will probably win tomorrow and the best Vettel can hope for is third. Then it is a 60 point lead with 4 races left. The real problem is that it appears that Ferrari's advantage for part of this season is due to its "trick" with the batteries. That advantage had disappeared.
The FIA installed the second sensor ahead of the Monaco GP, so the the engine trick couldn't have being doing much more in the past than it is now.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff member
Premium Contributor
The FIA installed the second sensor ahead of the Monaco GP, so the the engine trick couldn't have being doing much more in the past than it is now.
Mark Hughes wrote a piece on the Motorsport website recently, saying that's not true. There has been no second sensor fitted to the Ferraris. The quote below is taken directly from the article:

A story published post-Sochi suggested that a second sensor had been fitted to the Ferrari since Singapore, at the FIA’s insistence, and that this had clipped Ferrari’s wings. The FIA’s Charlie Whiting has refuted that absolutely here in Suzuka. There have been no additional sensors fitted to the Ferrari. That is unambiguously the case. Disinformation is being spread by the teams, and that story was a direct result of this. We can forget stories of a second sensor as an explanation. It didn’t happen.
 

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Premium Contributor
Due to Japan being only one week after Russia F1 and MotoGP are taking place on the same weekend. Since the MotoGP races are taking place in Thailand tomorrow morning I have the choice of which recording to watch first. Hmmm.....
 

marksawatsky

Podium Finisher
Contributor
I'm a Lewis fan but even I wished Ferrari put up more of a fight this season. It was so exciting earlier this year when Ferrari had the quickest car and you didn't know what was going to happen. I still think Formula 1 could learn a lot from MotoGP
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
I'm a Lewis fan but even I wished Ferrari put up more of a fight this season. It was so exciting earlier this year when Ferrari had the quickest car and you didn't know what was going to happen. I still think Formula 1 could learn a lot from MotoGP
Same. I was hoping last 2 years for great title showdown in abu Dhabi but by mid september ferrari jump off the wagon nevermind fall. & its just anti climatic. Because easy wins are abit boring
 

sobriety

Pole Sitter
Given that MotoGP is Honda's playground,and they work very hard to keep it that way, I'm not sure who is learning what from who?
 
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