Grand Prix 2015 Chinese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

How we all feeling folks? F1 is off to China! After the doom and despondency following Australia, Malaysia seems to have picked everybody right up. Who could have possibly predicted that a win for Sebastian Vettel and Ferrari would have been so welcomed? But China is a track which will probably better suit the Mercedes and if the technicians back in Brackley do a half decent job on the strategy it's still hard to see past a Merc 1-2. The big question is car 44 or 6.

The Ferrari's will be best of the rest and will certainly push the Mercs hard. Raikkonen's drive back to fourth in Malaysia was a bit overlooked but seems to indicate that he has found some speed and joy in F1. Although his mono-syllabic answers in the mix area after qualifying were pure Kimi.

Williams are not where they are supposed to be, keeping other cars off the tails of the Mercedes. They are the class of the customer Mercedes customer cars but I have a feeling the Lotus boys might knock them off that perch before the end of the season.

Next up will be a battle between Toro Rosso and Sauber. Another "Really?" moment for F1. Sauber looked to be all over the place in 2014, for 2015 they have sorted things out and look to have a couple of half decent drivers (assuming they keep it on the track for the whole race). Chasing the Saubers down with be Chilli Sainz and the new Wunderkind for Red Bull, Max Verstappen. Personally, I've been astonished at the maturity of his driving and how he conducts himself with the media let's hope he keeps it up as he looks every inch an F1 driver despite his lack of years and Carlos certainly hasn't been embarrassed by the whipper snapper, taking points in both of the opening races.

On to the next battle: Force India versus Red Bull. The powers that be at Red Bull really should shut up moaning about the engine, given what their sister team is achieving with the same motor, and look at sorting the car. The Honey Badger mugged a few people in Malaysia and still look quite racy, even if the car isn't up to much. Danni Kyvat has been strangely anonymous (I should point out that I have only seen highlights of the last two races). Force India are still struggling to get their new car up to speed but I suspect will pick up a few points in China. If Checo and Nico manage a whole race without running in to someone else or picking up time penalties they may start to trouble the top 10 on a regular basis

Finally, the battle at the back: Mclaren versus Manor Marussia. Oh dear. Neither car has a sponsor of note. Both have engines designed for last year. Both have an Anglo-Spanish driving partnership. The difference, for me at least is that Manor should be congratulated for even managing to build a car on their meager resources whilst McLaren (and Honda) should hang their heads in shame for providing two World Champions with one of the worst cars in McLaren's history. This machine makes the McLaren Peugeot look like a race winner.

A final statistic for all you stat addicts. Hamilton has won here 3 times, Ferrari 4 times. Can Lewis Match Ferrari's win count or will the red menace steam ahead of the lad from Stevenage?
 
I think this was an incredibly impressive race from Lewis and it shows how good he is at managing his pace in this new era of fuel efficiency and tyre management. Rosberg might not have liked it but in both stints Hamilton controlled his pace throughout, conserving the tyres, and letting him extend the gap to Rosberg by several seconds in the last few laps before his pit stops. With his new mental stability and by proving his ability to race "intelligently" rather then all out pedal to the metal, you have to ask whether he has any weaknesses left.

Ferrari are still there or thereabouts. If they can gain half a second per lap in development things will be getting really close. Williams are in no-mans land as 3rd best team. Grosjean quietly got the job done for Lotus' first points whilst his team mate had his usual adventures (not all his fault mind you, Jenson will surely be getting a penalty for that crash). Verstappen continues to build his reputation with several ballsy overtakes, only for his work to be undone by an engine failures.

Talking about Renault, they will be finding a hole to hide in as far away from Red Bull as possible. Not only do they have the least powerful and driveable engine but also the worst reliability (even worse than Honda!) They have the most development tokens left of any of the manufacturers and boy do they need them.
 
I'm going to have to have bit of a rant now, what an awful race. Bernie said Toto will have on his gravestone that he killed F1 and today's race underlined that. Nico Rosberg is beaten in every sense of the word by Lewis Hamilton. The Mercedes customer cars just don't have the same performance as the works team, why? Ferrari are still a long way behind the Mercs and this doesn't look like it is going to change any time soon.

No criticism of Lewis, he's doing what the likes of Mansell, Scumacher, Button and Vettel have done in the past which is to destroy the opposition with the best car on the grid but if this continues F1 is going to die. The powers that be in F1 need to look long and hard at the formula they have created and consider what they should do. The single tyre supplier is stupid, the need to use both offered compounds in each race is madness, the current testing and resource restrictions are strangling the sport to a point when it's gasping for air. The banks and banks of engineers sitting in air conditioned caravans and offices monitoring what is happening with two cars driving 200 miles is unbelievable. Jolyon Palmer commented yesterday that his GP2 team had 13 members for a race days, F1 has that just for a pit stop. It it needs this many engineers to make the car work then they are too complicated.

You also have to look at Honda. If a company with the pedigree and resources of Honda can't make an engine which can compete in F1 it must say something about how the rules are set. Can you imagine if the people at Audi, VW, BMW or one of the other Japanese manufacturers is sitting watching F1 today? Do we want to enter this series to show our engineering prowess? No, let's go and do Touring Cars or Le Mans.

Continuing the rant, get rid of DRS now, it offers nothing to F1 as we saw today when a very slow McLaren was able to pass a Mercedes powered Force India in a straight line. The aero complexity of these cars is staggering and ridiculous in equal measure. Mercedes do 5 (yes five) practice starts to find the optimum starting configuration. Alternatively give them a clutch pedal and let them find the bite point sitting on the start line rather than waiting for the computer to tell them to go.

Should the formula be changed mid-season? I don't think that will be possible but the FIA should be sitting down now to rewrite the rule book. I don't often get this angry about one car and one driver dominating (and this isn't about Lewis Hamilton) but F1 is losing me as a fan of over 30 years standing so how it hopes to a attract younger audience is beyond me. My youngest son is 16, when I was his age I would have got up at any time of the day to watch an F1 race, he's still firing zeds at the ceiling.

This is just crap, the only positive was the performance of a 17 year old boy and the FIA have now legislated to make sure no one of this age gets in an F1 car again. Brilliant!
 
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Surely deserving of it's own thread ^^

Brundle reckons it was a set up that was agreed before hand to control the race and not expose the pace of the Mercedes cars.
 
Hamilton's pace. He was controlling the race from the front and not running off with it.

Brundle said "I think the whole thing was a set up to be honest. I now realise what I saw on the grid which was Bernie talking to Arrivabene. I think Mercedes were keeping it tight, keeping the race tight. The pace that Hamilton drove when he let the race go was like 1.5 seconds quicker than anything else. They were just controlling the race"
 
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Ah, I see. But for it to be 'set-up' there must have been a guarantee that LH would be out in front, surely?
 
No, just a Mercedes in front. He's talking about the Mercs not shooting off into the sunset and boring the crap out of everyone.
 
Got it. So it's all crap then! Isn't this supposed to be a sport of excellence, so why hide one's light under a bushel? Beats me.:disappointed:
 
I'm going to have to have bit of a rant now, what an awful race.

While I commend your sentiments and rant I have to point out that what you are suggesting is actually the root of the problem. People complain, people suggest, people discuss, contribute, Bernie and the FIA legislate and we get another version of the same snafu.

The best option is to stop watching and let F1 die. Continually resuscitating a corpse always results in a less efficient and decidedly less attractive corpse.
 
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No, just a Mercedes in front. He's talking about the Mercs not shooting off into the sunset and boring the crap out of everyone.
So, then, that's the only permanent improvement on last year - better race fixing/management by Mercedes, unless Ferrari get the odd win when the temperatures are spot on?

Thought so, totally agree with FB 's rant (#) above!
 
But why should they sprint off into the distance? The optimum race is to win by the smallest gap possible even in a totally dominant car. The power unit, gearbox etc. will perform better at the next race.
I personally think the tyre, fuel and power unit saving is going some way to killing F1. I want to see the cars on the limit for the whole race.
 
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I personally think the tyre, fuel and power unit saving is going some way to killing F1. I want to see the cars on the limit for the whole race.
^ That.

You can't blame Mercedes or Hamilton for doing what every other team and driver would do in their position.

How many times did we see Vettel build a 2 second gap on the first lap and then just control the race from the front?
 
Why did Maldonado pit on lap 48 and why was his time only 18 seconds?

Did he have a drive through or something?
 
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