Grand Prix 2014 Australian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

24 years old. Apprenticeship fully served, and finally arrived in one of the two seats that you've been working towards sitting in for years; that of the quadruple reigning champions. And to start with, your home Grand Prix. All you need is for the car and engine combination to maintain its previous stratospheric standards...

At time of going to press, testing has shown little sign that Daniel Ricciardo's dream will be realised. Although, it has to be said, at time of going to press, testing has not been quite as indicative as it could have been. We don't know who is going to be fast and we won't know until the lights go out in Melbourne.

Ricciardo's team-mate, paradoxical pantomime villain and quadrakaiser Sebastian Vettel is going for his tenth race win in a row, although early suggestions are that his assault on double figures might not be as straightforward as some of the previous nine. At Jerez, getting to double figures in terms of laps was a struggle..

Ricciardo will have to make sure he performs well this season to make sure he keeps the dream seat ahead of Daniil Kvyat, presuming the young Russian puts Jean-Eric Vergne's F1 career to sleep in a dignified and respectful ceremony.

Lotus, meanwhile, have very little money, necessitating the parachuting in of Scrooge El Duck as their driver to back up 2012's other panel-beater Romain Grosjean. Their nose looks rather different to anything else out there, and is closest in design to Williams' 2004 walrus nose. Which doesn't save the fears.

McLaren and Mercedes will back up their silver cars with a British World Champion, a Mercedes engine and a plethora of team principals. Button is, of course, the Melbourne specialist. They've got some running in at Jerez; it is unknown whether either are quick, but neither are stationary.

Fernando Alonso's Ferrari hegemony is about to be challenged by Kimi Raikkonen's arrival. Raikkonen won in Australia last year, so he's got form, and this race will be the first to tell us if Ferrari team radio this year will be a story of two passionate racers abusing their engineers, or two old men moaning about their backs.

Sauber's driver line-up is the most boring thing in Formula One since the US Grand Prix of 2005.

Nico Hulkenburg gets ready for his third consecutive last year before he is signed by a big team. A poor Force India will lead to the Hulk crying himself to sleep, while team-mate Sergio Perez comforts him with stories about how McLaren isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Williams have an interesting partnership; Felipe Massa released from the suffocating stranglehold of the Alonso anaconda and partnered with an almost-ripe pretender in Valteri Bottas. They have a new old livery, a new sponsor and new hope. Williams-Mercedes still doesn't sound right.

And, hey, the 2014 Australian Grand Prix has to be the best chance for Marussia and Caterham to actually score a point; only 9 of the other teams' engines need fall apart and 6 of them are made by Renault! Race finishing expert Max Chilton could be the beneficiary. Although he could actually finish 11th if there are only 10 finishers.

So, all that's left to talk about is Melbourne itself. Despite the rugby and cricket last year, the Grand Prix itself has been quite Pommie friendly in the last several years! The yellow lines at the edge of the track bordered by green walls have been a sign of F1 starting for a number of years, and there has been good racing backed up by poor reliability. And, boy, do we expect poor reliability...
 
Yes sure hence 'current evidence'. Alleged power deficit aside, aerodynamically it looks nothing special although in all fairness this goes for the Mercedes too. I think someone went crazy with Ferrari nose design.
 
People are talking like F1 is the only form of sport that has disqualifications after the race, it happens in horse racing all the time, the only issue I have with stewarding after the race is finished is when they announce during a race that they will look at an incident after the race why not just make a decision at the time of the infringement if a driver breaches yellow flag rules or something then give the penaulty then and there FFS not two hours after the race is finished, but as for post race scrutineering of the cars they have no choice in that do they, so how anyone can disagree with it is beyond my ability of understanding....
 
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Na the other teams will catch up simply because there is so much room for improvement this always happens in the wake of massive rule changes one team gets it more right than others to begin with whereas when there have been very few changes for some years there is less room for maneuver and less gains to be had from much more input..
 
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I thought we witnessed the next generation of F1 drivers

I would say that if I was Ferrari I'd be concerned about the pace of the car but Raikkonen's pace was not as good as Alonso's
 
Just caught up on the race. Only seen highlights so can't make too many comments. The big issue is obviously fuel allowances. Why not just give each team enough fuel to complete the race and no more than that. If they use too much fuel during the race then it's their own fault and the cars will run dry before end, the race result will be obvious and none of these silly stewards decisions hours later.
 
The teams are only allowed to put 100kg of fuel in the car and this is not enough fuel to finish the race with if they run at 100kg/h fuel flow all the time also they have to have enough fuel to give a sample at the end of the race after the cool down lap they are no longer allowed to pull over to the side of the track as they have done on the past they must make it back to the pits under their own steam they can do this on ERS power alone if they wish.

This means that the teams have to manage their full they do this by using the ERS to compensate now a team could run a fuel flow of say 110kg/h for short bursts giving them an advantage say for overtaking and still manage to finish the race with fuel to spare and that is why it against the rules to do so, in Sundays race they had a false start and had to do another warm up lap which counts as a race lap and there was a safety car this meant the teams had fuel to play with and could easily exceed the fuel flow rate without worrying about running out i.e cheat and so Red Bull in effect were cheating and tried to hide behind a so called faulty fuel sensor claiming that the offset they were given by the stewards was wrong...

The fuel flow rate was not a unilateral decision made by the FIA it was a joint decision between all the teams and the FIA and so Red Bull have nothing to complain about or any basis for an appeal..

I hope this answers your question F1Yorkshire it may sound odd but those are the rules agreed to by all...
 
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I do think that with the faulty sensor system in mind, the FIA ought to do due diligence after the race to check that their telemetry readings were, indeed, inaccurate. They hadn't proved anything at the end of the race, so the current situation is better than an unfair DQ by black flag, where the 2nd place could not have been awarded since he never finished the race.
 
I kinda simplified it a bit in the fact that Red Bull were not given permission to use their own sensor readings measured at the injection nozzles and that they were warned on several occasions before and during the race that they were indeed in breach of the rules and given the chance to rectify the situation by reverting back to the standard sensor relying on the offset they were given and Red Bull simply choose ignored this, why they ignored it I have absolutely no idea.
 
There is no limit on the amount of fuel the teams can put in the car. In fact they put more than 100kg in because they have to get to the grid, do the parade lap and do the warm down lap. They are only allowed to use 100kg from lights to flag with the fuel rate not exceeding 100.
 
I would have thought the only reason they ignored the standard sensor is that they knew they were using 100kg/h of fuel and were trying to pull a wing-flex and suggest the test was inefficient, therefore the car was unproven as illegal.

Either that, or they really do believe their arguing skills are up there with that snake off Jungle Book.
 
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Why would a team put in more fuel than is absolutely necessary? More fuel means extra weight and extra weight means slower lap times and a larger fuel tank than needed would mean extra weight and wasted space, and I am fairly sure that the cooling down lap and the fuel sample is included in the 100kg but not absolutely certain, maybe someone could clarify that for me..
 
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You don't have to complete the cool down lap in the race, I expected some to be pulling up at the end of the pit lane.

Suppose some teams were playing it safe to remain legal rather than the other approach. They might push the bounds more when they understand where those bounds are.
 
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