Grand Prix 2014 Australian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

24 years old. Apprenticeship fully served, and finally arrived in one of the two seats that you've been working towards sitting in for years; that of the quadruple reigning champions. And to start with, your home Grand Prix. All you need is for the car and engine combination to maintain its previous stratospheric standards...

At time of going to press, testing has shown little sign that Daniel Ricciardo's dream will be realised. Although, it has to be said, at time of going to press, testing has not been quite as indicative as it could have been. We don't know who is going to be fast and we won't know until the lights go out in Melbourne.

Ricciardo's team-mate, paradoxical pantomime villain and quadrakaiser Sebastian Vettel is going for his tenth race win in a row, although early suggestions are that his assault on double figures might not be as straightforward as some of the previous nine. At Jerez, getting to double figures in terms of laps was a struggle..

Ricciardo will have to make sure he performs well this season to make sure he keeps the dream seat ahead of Daniil Kvyat, presuming the young Russian puts Jean-Eric Vergne's F1 career to sleep in a dignified and respectful ceremony.

Lotus, meanwhile, have very little money, necessitating the parachuting in of Scrooge El Duck as their driver to back up 2012's other panel-beater Romain Grosjean. Their nose looks rather different to anything else out there, and is closest in design to Williams' 2004 walrus nose. Which doesn't save the fears.

McLaren and Mercedes will back up their silver cars with a British World Champion, a Mercedes engine and a plethora of team principals. Button is, of course, the Melbourne specialist. They've got some running in at Jerez; it is unknown whether either are quick, but neither are stationary.

Fernando Alonso's Ferrari hegemony is about to be challenged by Kimi Raikkonen's arrival. Raikkonen won in Australia last year, so he's got form, and this race will be the first to tell us if Ferrari team radio this year will be a story of two passionate racers abusing their engineers, or two old men moaning about their backs.

Sauber's driver line-up is the most boring thing in Formula One since the US Grand Prix of 2005.

Nico Hulkenburg gets ready for his third consecutive last year before he is signed by a big team. A poor Force India will lead to the Hulk crying himself to sleep, while team-mate Sergio Perez comforts him with stories about how McLaren isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Williams have an interesting partnership; Felipe Massa released from the suffocating stranglehold of the Alonso anaconda and partnered with an almost-ripe pretender in Valteri Bottas. They have a new old livery, a new sponsor and new hope. Williams-Mercedes still doesn't sound right.

And, hey, the 2014 Australian Grand Prix has to be the best chance for Marussia and Caterham to actually score a point; only 9 of the other teams' engines need fall apart and 6 of them are made by Renault! Race finishing expert Max Chilton could be the beneficiary. Although he could actually finish 11th if there are only 10 finishers.

So, all that's left to talk about is Melbourne itself. Despite the rugby and cricket last year, the Grand Prix itself has been quite Pommie friendly in the last several years! The yellow lines at the edge of the track bordered by green walls have been a sign of F1 starting for a number of years, and there has been good racing backed up by poor reliability. And, boy, do we expect poor reliability...
 
I know that The Artist..... I've already said he was my driver of the day because I found his performance over any bodies outstanding.

This race doesn't show Perez was and will be annihilated by Hulk. Others may, but not this one.
 
If Perez had done a better job in quali he wouldn't have been in the position he was to get his puncture.

Plus he was up to 12th by lap 21 and made no gain on the Toro Rosso's.

Sorry Hamberg but I think he was pretty poor this weekend.
 
Vettel and Button had poor quali's. Vettel and Perez had more bad luck, Button good luck. It was that type of race.

Hulkenberg drove a great defensive race, Bottas a superb aggressive one (apart from one minor misdemeanour) but there was a lot of holding position after a certain period.

Sorry RasputinLives this was not the race to decide either way. I believe Hulkenberg will kick him, but he would anyone as you've also said on the FI thread. But this race doesn't prove that.

(Nice try though)
 
I'm not trying to show Perez will be beaten hands down by Hulk. I'm saying he was off the pace and needs to pull his finger out if he doesn't want to end up in DTM.

I think I'm allowed to do that right? ;)
 
Yep, as long as I'm allowed to disagree. ;)

Besides which, playing Hulk as my joker in the team mate prediction round so I'm happy!

At least I think we've removed FBs threat of closing the thread down!
 
The Ozzies are none too thrilled with these developments.

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96-point headline, front page (below the fold)

And it's not just the Ozzies, the outrage extends from Fleet Street all the way to, naturally, Maranello. La Gazzetta writes that the fans view the cars as too "technical." Why should motor racing be so beholding to this "software" thing? Whatever happened to races hinging on tyres and aerodynamics? And the new rules are too byzantine. The Time's Kevin Eason writes the sport once again has shot itself in the foot: "...For all its smug, smart, intellectual brilliance, F1 is a basket case of the first order...."

This might be what LDM was referring to when he wrote to the FIA of the "grey areas" in the 2014 regs that were rife for exploitation, because Ferrari engine man Luca Marmorini had been warning the FIA that their FMFS was not up to scratch.

Gill themselves claim that 92% of their FMFSs are accurate to 99.75%. But as with all statistical distributions, it is not the means that cause the greatest trouble, it is the extremes, the outliers. There can be no "fairness" until every team is fitted with FMFSs that are within the homologation standard, else why bother having a standard?

Australian AP are reporting Red Bull have filed notice of intent to protest but have not yet filed a formal protest, but they have have 96 hours in which to do so.

I'm not exactly a fan of NASCAR but they do do one thing that is spot-on. A race result, once announced, is forever. If a driver or team later is found in contravention of the rules, they might be penalised on some future start grid, or fined, or banned for 'X' races, but the result never changes. No fan ever arrived home after watching a NASCAR race to discover the race they just witnessed with their own eyes never happened.

F1 needs to wake up and smell the chewing tobacco.
 
If a driver or team later is found in contravention of the rules, they might be penalised on some future start grid, or fined, or banned for 'X' races, but the result never changes.

Red Bull Racing were found in contravention of the rules at the 2014 Australian Grand Prix. This illegal car won them 18 points at the 2014 Australian Grand Prix. They should hence be disqualified from the 2014 Australian Grand Prix.

Before the finish, preferably. But it is not a farce to punish people for the event that they cheated in.
 
I'm not exactly a fan of NASCAR but they do do one thing that is spot-on. A race result, once announced, is forever. If a driver or team later is found in contravention of the rules, they might be penalised on some future start grid, or fined, or banned for 'X' races, but the result never changes.
So an invalid result is allowed to remain forever on the record books?
Or a cheat is allowed to keep their win?

That hardly seems like the best solution.
 
Even shite rules are rules I'm afraid.

Reminds me of the whole situation of James Hunt being diqualified from his win at Brands Hatch. Although in that case I was on Hunts side.

The only thing I'd say to the FIA is that if they were repeatedly warning Red Bull during the race then if they'd simpley made those warnings public to the media the whole situation would not of come as surprise 4 hours after the race.
 
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RasputinLives

Hunt at Brands was an odd one; earlier in the season, the McLaren had been disqualified for being too wide (Spain), but their appeal was successful there, whereas the breach at brands was far less egregious, yet that race win was taken away!
 
I think Force India said Perez had issues with the car this weekend and expect him to be on the pace or as near to the pace of Hulkenberg.

Feel gutted for Daniel, he really is the innocent party in all of this. I know it's a team game but Ricciardo my heart goes out to him :).

Really think I might have a little crush on Kevin Magnussen now, think he's brilliant in the car and seems a really really nice guy out of it <3 :).
 
the fans view the cars as too "technical." Why should motor racing be so beholding to this "software" thing? Whatever happened to races hinging on tyres and aerodynamics? And the new rules are too byzantine. The Time's Kevin Eason writes the sport once again has shot itself in the foot: "...For all its smug, smart, intellectual brilliance, F1 is a basket case of the first order...."

Because that is the way of the world these days we don't live in caves F1 is a technical sport and if some fans can not or will not understand that then I suggest they go and watch something less taxing on the brain such as women's beach volley ball or Miss World..
 
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