Grand Prix 2013 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion


The Hungaroring is a funny place in the history of F1. Starting life with the mid-80's claim of being the first race from behind the now long gone iron curtain, it should by rights, have long since disappeared from the calendar to have been replaced by a Tilkedrome in some far off and distant corner of the world.

The tight, twisty track that sees little racing all year round and remains relatively dusty and dirty all weekend is often claimed to be a place where few can overtake and not much happens. A quick thumb through F1's history pages can soon dispel this myth. From the first race held in 1986 which gave us the four wheel power slide overtake by Nelson Piquet on Senna, as shown above, to Mansell's first victory for Ferrari coming from 12th place to win. Via Mansell confirming his world title here in 1992 right up to maiden wins for Damon Hill, Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button and Heikki Kovalainen this track is never short of a surprise or two.

It seems like an agonizing 3 week wait before we get to the track and of course in that time we have the young drivers tyre test and the latest changes to the tyre range for the remainder of the season. Perhaps, due to the tight and twisty nature of the track, out right speed is less of an issue here and so the cars tend to find themselves on a much leveler playing field.

The Red Bull's will be going into the race a lot more confident about where they are in relation to the tyres and knowing that the car is well balanced and definitely the one to beat at the moment. As for Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus(Renault) nipping away at their heels, for Mercedes this race marks a vital moment in their season. Denied the chance to test at Silverstone they will have the least amount of information regarding the new 2012 structure / 2013 compound tyres. Already proven to be one of the fastest cars on the grid they seem to suffer tyre degradation a lot more than their nearest rivals. All hopes will be for a repeat of their performance at Monaco, another tight and twisty track, and that they can get on top of the tyre data given only 3 hours of running on the dusty surface at Friday practice. For Ferrari it seems that tyre wear is less important than finding a bit more pace in the car. While Alonso really pushed hard in the last few laps of the German GP, overall the weekend looked like something of a backward step for Maranello resulting in different strategies coming in to play. Finally, if only Lotus(Renault) could find some sort of consistency to capitalize on the abilities of Kimi (and Romain if he can keep it on the black stuff) they to could be troubling the front runners all weekend.

Battle has been joined in the midfield by a suddenly motivated Toro Rosso pair who sniff a race seat at their Big Brothers team. Rumors continue to surround where either driver may end up if anywhere at all so it is vital they keep the pressure on. Force India were strangely off the pace in Germany and will be looking to restore that advantage and increase their gap over McLaren in the constructors championship while they can. Meanwhile the boys at woking will have been encouraged by their showing at the Nurburgring but will it be enough to build on and at last turn around what after Hungary could be their worst season in the long history of the team?

Another team showing a slight improvement on their recent performances is Sauber who will have been pleased with the way they ran in Germany. Rumors of financial issues at the team including the non-payment of wages to Nico Hulkenburg show they could be heading for troubled times if results don't start to improve. Nico's name is now being spoken off in relation to a couple of drives elsewhere next season and his opportunities to live up to his talent hang in the balance unless Sauber can show the same pace they had last season soon.

Williams are officially having their poorest ever season. Just missing the points with three 11th place finishes can't hide the fact that they are squabbling for the crumbs off the table. It's clear that there are too many things wrong with the car to point the blame in any one direction but who would have thought that after 9 races there would not be a single point in the bank. It must be worrying for the whole team and you tend to wonder how long it will be before the last sparks of their reputation burn out?

And so finally we come to the back of the grid, it's clear that both the "young teams" as they are described on Sky F1 have taken a huge step backwards. You only have to look at the ever growing spaces on the Marussia to know that sponsorship is an issue (as it also appears to be for Sauber and Williams to some extent) and I would place a small bet now that which ever of these two teams fails to gain Bernie's hand out for 10th at the end of the season will be sold quickly or more likely as in the case of HRT last season, will be pulling down its pit shutters for the final time.

So, while we have three weeks to wait, there is still plenty to talk about in the run up to the Hungarian GP. Who can put more pressure on Vettel ? Will Mercedes performance suffer as a result of missing out on the young drivers tyre test ? Can Ferrari regain their early season pace ? Questions, Questions. (And a long time until we find those answers).
 
James Allen has been reporting some juice on the twitter:

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Great race and win from Lewis, but the 'we learned nothing from tyre test' and the 'missing young driver test has really hurt us' have both proved to be complete BS. :yes:

FIA have to take a long hard look at how they deal with all rule infringements - Mercedes get slap on wrist for blatant breach while, today, Grosjean has his race ruined by over-the-top drive through penalty.:crazy:
 
Hamilton finishing ahead of Raikkonen at the Hungaroring seems to happen quite a few times over the years. A good win for Lewis Hamilton today as he got the job done today by being able to overtake guys at critical moments today to give himself track position. I was very disappointed with Ferrari today thought that they would be in with a shout of a race win today but it never really happened for them. Also well done to Williams for finally getting there 1st point of the season.
 
Vettel got a drive through penalty in Germany last year for overtaking while outside the track limits - they were just being consistent. It was a nice move but you can't let that influence decisions...

Pretty boring race to be honest, it was pretty clear early on that this was Hamilton's to lose with the only excitement coming from the start, the end, Grosjean and some of the overtaking.
 
Josh

I disagree with your sentiment about it being Hamilton's race to lose. The deciding factor in his win today was that he was quick and decisive in his attempts to pass Button and Webber. Once Vettel got in clean air he was actually catching Hamilton, with a damaged front wing and having had his car overheat in the previous laps.
 
Vettel was also closing in on Hamilton after the first few laps, hence Hamilton pitted. In my mind Hamilton won with probably the equal best qualifying car and 3rd/4th best race car.

If Red Bull didn't constantly set the car up so slow on the straights then it might have been a different story.
 
I thought the tyres ...now being used, were last year's compound....
JB said that they had brought some upgrades to this GP....that they had on their 2012 car
So Merc .....were the only cars in this race, that hadn't tried last years tyres with this year's car ....
 
Josh

I disagree with your sentiment about it being Hamilton's race to lose. The deciding factor in his win today was that he was quick and decisive in his attempts to pass Button and Webber.

True, but I think once Vettel wasn't ahead he was always going to have a hard time overtaking Hamilton (and pretty much anyone else in front of him) with the way his car was set up - he was 5.5 km/h slower than Hamilton in the speed trap in qualifying. Also his damaged front wing (which he caused himself) was sure to lose him time. And let's not forget he did not have full use of his KERS while behind Button - we don't know if he was able to use all of his KERS power once he got in front of Button and whether it would have overheated again once he was behind Hamilton.
Hamilton did exactly that which was necessary not to lose by overtaking quickly and decisive, in my opinion. I'm not taking anything away from Hamilton at all here, I think he was pretty dominating out in front much like Vettel usually is.


Once Vettel got in clean air he was actually catching Hamilton, with a damaged front wing and having had his car overheat in the previous laps.

Yes he was, but I think the key words here are "clean air". We saw what happened when he was behind Button, he was barely any faster, if he was faster at all.
 
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The achilles heel for the Red Bull once again showed being stuck behind another car its absolutely useless by the way they set up the car

Hamilton got the start he wanted and Vettel is managed to limit damage from preventing Grosjean flying past him
 
JB said that they had brought some upgrades to this GP....that they had on their 2012 car

Actually Button said that those aero parts had been on the car for 3 months now as could easily be seen by the sidepod shape and he was surprised that people thought they were new....
 
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