Grand Prix 2013 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion


The Hungaroring is a funny place in the history of F1. Starting life with the mid-80's claim of being the first race from behind the now long gone iron curtain, it should by rights, have long since disappeared from the calendar to have been replaced by a Tilkedrome in some far off and distant corner of the world.

The tight, twisty track that sees little racing all year round and remains relatively dusty and dirty all weekend is often claimed to be a place where few can overtake and not much happens. A quick thumb through F1's history pages can soon dispel this myth. From the first race held in 1986 which gave us the four wheel power slide overtake by Nelson Piquet on Senna, as shown above, to Mansell's first victory for Ferrari coming from 12th place to win. Via Mansell confirming his world title here in 1992 right up to maiden wins for Damon Hill, Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button and Heikki Kovalainen this track is never short of a surprise or two.

It seems like an agonizing 3 week wait before we get to the track and of course in that time we have the young drivers tyre test and the latest changes to the tyre range for the remainder of the season. Perhaps, due to the tight and twisty nature of the track, out right speed is less of an issue here and so the cars tend to find themselves on a much leveler playing field.

The Red Bull's will be going into the race a lot more confident about where they are in relation to the tyres and knowing that the car is well balanced and definitely the one to beat at the moment. As for Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus(Renault) nipping away at their heels, for Mercedes this race marks a vital moment in their season. Denied the chance to test at Silverstone they will have the least amount of information regarding the new 2012 structure / 2013 compound tyres. Already proven to be one of the fastest cars on the grid they seem to suffer tyre degradation a lot more than their nearest rivals. All hopes will be for a repeat of their performance at Monaco, another tight and twisty track, and that they can get on top of the tyre data given only 3 hours of running on the dusty surface at Friday practice. For Ferrari it seems that tyre wear is less important than finding a bit more pace in the car. While Alonso really pushed hard in the last few laps of the German GP, overall the weekend looked like something of a backward step for Maranello resulting in different strategies coming in to play. Finally, if only Lotus(Renault) could find some sort of consistency to capitalize on the abilities of Kimi (and Romain if he can keep it on the black stuff) they to could be troubling the front runners all weekend.

Battle has been joined in the midfield by a suddenly motivated Toro Rosso pair who sniff a race seat at their Big Brothers team. Rumors continue to surround where either driver may end up if anywhere at all so it is vital they keep the pressure on. Force India were strangely off the pace in Germany and will be looking to restore that advantage and increase their gap over McLaren in the constructors championship while they can. Meanwhile the boys at woking will have been encouraged by their showing at the Nurburgring but will it be enough to build on and at last turn around what after Hungary could be their worst season in the long history of the team?

Another team showing a slight improvement on their recent performances is Sauber who will have been pleased with the way they ran in Germany. Rumors of financial issues at the team including the non-payment of wages to Nico Hulkenburg show they could be heading for troubled times if results don't start to improve. Nico's name is now being spoken off in relation to a couple of drives elsewhere next season and his opportunities to live up to his talent hang in the balance unless Sauber can show the same pace they had last season soon.

Williams are officially having their poorest ever season. Just missing the points with three 11th place finishes can't hide the fact that they are squabbling for the crumbs off the table. It's clear that there are too many things wrong with the car to point the blame in any one direction but who would have thought that after 9 races there would not be a single point in the bank. It must be worrying for the whole team and you tend to wonder how long it will be before the last sparks of their reputation burn out?

And so finally we come to the back of the grid, it's clear that both the "young teams" as they are described on Sky F1 have taken a huge step backwards. You only have to look at the ever growing spaces on the Marussia to know that sponsorship is an issue (as it also appears to be for Sauber and Williams to some extent) and I would place a small bet now that which ever of these two teams fails to gain Bernie's hand out for 10th at the end of the season will be sold quickly or more likely as in the case of HRT last season, will be pulling down its pit shutters for the final time.

So, while we have three weeks to wait, there is still plenty to talk about in the run up to the Hungarian GP. Who can put more pressure on Vettel ? Will Mercedes performance suffer as a result of missing out on the young drivers tyre test ? Can Ferrari regain their early season pace ? Questions, Questions. (And a long time until we find those answers).
 
Slyboogy

The winners name was not Vettel though
Webber won in 2010 because Vettel was a naughty boy behind the safety car

Hamilton won the other two you're referring to
 
Well at least we start tomorrows race with the prospect of some entertainment. How long that prospect lasts is another matter.
It will probably have turned into a procession behind Vettel by the end of lap one.
 
Hamilton has been the only pole winner since 2007 at Hungaroring although this was after Alonso was given a grid penalty

2008

- Heikki won from 3rd

2009

- Hamilton from 4th

2010 Webber from 2nd due to Vettel's penalty

2011 Button from 3rd

2012 Hamilton from pole

so the cars behind might fancy their chances

I hate traffic jams but I would not mind if Hamilton did a Boutsen and held the line of cars behind him and won
 
Right, we can have the fun of seeing exactly what'll happen down to turn one.

Options:
  1. Grosjean gets ahead of Vettel. :cheer:C'est magnifique!
  2. Grosjean crashes into Vettel. This has the effect of reducing a load of Championship gaps. Including Kimi's. ;)
  3. Grosjean gets ahead of Hamilton and Vettel. C'est magnifique grand!:cheer:
  4. Grosjean crashes into Hamilton. This leaves Vettel clear. :facepalm:
  5. Grosjean stays where he is. Happy Seb. :o
  6. Grosjean crashes into Alonso. Even happier Seb. :1st:
  7. Grosjean slides on a trail of liquid left after John Button's birthday party. :birthday: Bonesy is delighted!
 
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Quite an interesting qually today.

Red Bull seem to be the winners from the Silverstone test, able to match Mercedes on Saurdays and are likely to leave them in the dust on Sunday. Vettel has to be the favourite to win.

Mercedes have the Saturday speed as per usual, but the lack of Rosberg from the front row shows they are slowly losing their advantage in qualifying. I'd be surprised if Hamilton leaves Hungary with a podium.

Lotus don't seem to have closed on Red Bull as much as I'd hoped. Grosjean looks quick and back to his 2012-self, Raikkonen didn't look settled in the car at all.

Everyone else looks more or less the same since Germany.

The standout drivers today were Hamilton and Grosjean (can't really judge Vettel). Impressive gaps to team-mates, Hamilton maintains his Hungary qualifying record and Grosjean has a chance of keeping his seat if he keeps this up.
Vergne can't be too happy with the result today... :no:
 
"Grosjean's car hit kerb at turn 11 in Q2. Lotus given the benefit of the doubt, on basis impact caused damage to stay." Andrew Benson.
 
That gives me a brilliant idea!
Make legal solid aero parts that become flexible and optimised after being "accidentally" mullered by curbs or by hitting other cars. :)

You could also make great weight savings with parts being discarded during the race.
 
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Will Seb cover his line on the inside or go around the outside into turn 1 tomorrow to protect his position

Remember there are two DRS zones
 
A slight glimmer of hope for anyone hoping Vettel doesn't walk it tomorrow.

Hamilton was the joint 2nd fastest (along with Rosberg and Bottas, van der Garde is fastest) through the speedtrap in qualifying today, Vettel was 2nd slowest, 3.4mph slower than Hamilton and co. It;s ot much when there's DRS, but hopefully someone with decent pace (a Lotus or a Ferrari Alonso) can jump Vettel at the start.
 
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