Grand Prix 2012 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

For the first time in 3 decades there have been 5 different winners in 5 races and it's not exactly been the status quo winning races as not many people would have had Rosberg and Maldanado winning this early in the season and after Australia not many people would have bet on Alonso winning before the start of the European season. This is also when drivers like Hamilton, Webber, Raikkonnen and Schumacher havent won this season and the way things are going there could be 8 winners after 8 races which could almost be unprecedented.

Indeed, one thing that 2012 has shown is that no one team has been consistently fighting for the win at all five 5 races, while Lotus have possibly had the most consistent pace of the top teams, problems in the first two races meant they were unable to be competing for the win while Kimi might have been unlucky to not come away with at least one win in Bahrain and Barcelona where strategy troubles robbed him the top step but two podiums have shown that he still has the pace despite being away from the sport for 2 years.

The big surprise of the weekend was a first victory for Maldonado and a first victory for Williams since the 2004 Brazilian Grand Prix, a win which was merited with no outside help apart from the disqualification of Hamilton from qualifying and the effect of this is unknown as to how the race would have been different but in the race Pastor drove the wheels off the car and did extremely well to keep a rejuvenated Fernando Alonso behind in an updated Ferrari on home soil. Considering Ferrari's early season struggles, for Alonso to be joint leading the Championship with Vettel is no mean feat at all.

The field is very tightly packed as well with the top 7 drivers being separated by 20 points, this time last year it was nearly 100 with Vettel claiming 4 of the first 5 races. This year that is not the case and for once Barcelona served up a classic which in my opinion was the best race of the season, finally there was close racing from 1st down to last with the outcome not being decided until the last few laps.

Going into Monaco there is no point prediction what the running order will be as the likelihood is it'll change again, for all we know the Force India's could suddenly be at the front and Lotus might only be fighting for points, it certainly makes for extremely fascinating viewing as no-one is dominating the Championship, in the city of the high rollers and casinos, it remains who will strike lucky in Monte Carlo and claim the big win, it will certainly not be boring, after all, if even Barcelona can provide an entertaining race, surely most places can (with the exception of Valencia!)
 
Sorry, I'm NOT trying to vilify Hamilton in any way- I'm just trying to add a little bit of context....

The move in spa could not be justified by anyone, but there is sufficient doubt that what maldo did in Monaco was deliberate...
 
Yes brogan but he had a reason (from an insane drivers point of view) that Hamilton had compromised his own flying lap. However with this incident we appear to have no underlying cause as to why he would 'attack' Perez.
 
I have no opinion on whether it was deliberate or not, only Maldonado knows that.

This latest incident just reinforces my opinion of him as a driver though.
 
The thing that's common with a lot of maldonado's incidents seems to be losing control of the car- as if he's not always able to judge the edge of adhesion.... The Williams clearly has a loose rear end- as shown in Melbourne under power...

Certainly that was what caused the incident in gp2 with grosjean's, or when he crashed at nurburgring...
 
Either way Maldonado is dangerous or incompetent, which one is better I don't know...
Any more dangerous or incompetent than, say, Kimi Raikkonen when he lost control out of the tunnel and slammed into the back of Sutil? Or Schumacher as he lost control at Barcelona and slammed into the back of Senna Junior? Or Vettel as he lost control at Spa and speared into the side of Button? Or Hamilton when he forgot to stop at a red light and went into the back of Raikkonen? etc. etc.
 
Brogan...The stewards didn't see it that way. To me every time I look at a replay of the Maldonado/Hamilton incident I see at worst a racing incident. If I was to pin the blame I'd say Maldonado was on the racing line and Hamilton was trying to create space where there wasn't any. The normal rule applies, Hamilton was the driver attempting the overtake so the onus is with him to complete it cleanly. I'm not sure how anyone can say Maldonado drove into Hamilton when it was Hamilton who was coming from behind. Incidentally, I'm not turning this into a rant against Hamilton. It was you that bought up their coming together last year.
 
No wonder I'm confused, we're talking about two completely different incidents. Earlier in this thread others were discussing the collision between Hamilton and Maldonado during the Monaco GP. I thought that was what we were discussing.
 
Brogan Indeed so. Considering that Maldonado and a couple of others were faffing about in the bus-stop whilst Lewis was on his vital last chance hot lap to get through to the top ten. It should have been no surprise that he had either screw his lap completely or thead his way through. Which he did. Maldonado (and the other two for that matter) should not have been in the way. Their laps were screwed already because of their squabbling through the chicane. What followed was the clearest violation of racing etiquette since the infamous Senna/Prost auto-fistuffs. One does not have to be a Hamilton fan to see that.
 
The reason it is turning into a rant against Hamilton is because it is the Hamilton fans who are vilifying Maldonado simply because of the incident at Spa last year, Lewis did more than his fair share of crashing into people last season lest people forget.

Anyway I've had enough of it, I am fully aware that this forum is Lewis fan heavy there is nothing wrong with that but recently it has also become a place to preach his attributes and scorn anyone who disagrees which is something I cannot abide I will not be preached at if a Jehovah witness come to my door I send him away with a flea in his ear.

Anyway.

I've just watched the F3 race and there was a massive accident coming out of the tunnel the lotus car darn near cleared the catchment fence due to the car in front weaving, it was horrendous.

I do not want to see something like that in tomorrows F1 race...
 
I am fully aware that this forum is Lewis fan heavy there is nothing wrong with that but recently it has also become a place to preach his attributes and scorn anyone who disagrees
I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

If anything, the outright Hamilton fans are clamped down on a lot harder than the non-fans/those who dislike him.

Oh and that's not a baseless claim.
It's based on the actions of the moderators over the last few months.
 
I do not dislike Lewis and I manage to support a driver without getting over zealous, yes I support Button but when he does crap as he has done so far this weekend and at Spain I say so I don't make up excuses, for him, I just do not know why people just don't say it as it is, that's all...

I apologise to anyone I may have upset, maybe I'm just having a bad day and a personal apology to you Brogan on the whole this is a great forum and there is nowhere else I would rather post on..
 
The stewards have a variety of sanctions and they chose one for each incident (not saying either was wrong or right). I just get bored to the back teeth that EVERY thread on here comes back to Lewis Hamilton. There are 23 other drivers on the grid and the lack of perspective is just so dull.
 
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