Grand Prix 2012 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Doesn't time fly! The summer break is approaching the end and after an astonishing Olympics which gripped a nation, the attention now turns across the Channel to see if another Brit can continue his push for glory. Victory in Hungary saw Lewis Hamilton reignite his stuttering season and closed (however small) the gap to Alonso to just over 40 points. The update package introduced in Germany have thrown McLaren back to the front again and just in time as any longer and Hamilton would have been out of the title battle just like his team-mate has been after a nightmare summer for Button. Hamilton has generally gone well at Spa with 1 win, a third place and a fourth. Although depending on your viewpoint it should be 2 wins and a fourth after the 2008 mess.

Although the true king of Spa has returned to the throne in the Lotus and with wins in 2004,2005,2007 and 2009 (close to winning in 2008 as well) not many would bet against the Iceman taking his first victory of the season at his favourite track. The Lotus has been in good form in recent races and a second and third in Hungary proved that where they pushed Hamilton from lights to flag but couldn't quite get past the McLaren driver.

Belgium is famous for it's 4 seasons in a hour in all different parts of the track weather and no doubt if rain is about that plays into the hands of the Championship leader Alonso as the Ferrari is the quickest car in the wet but possibly only the 4th quickest car in the dry, that was evident at Hungary anyway, whether that translates to Spa it is unknown, however Ferrari have traditionally been quick at Spa having won more times there (16) than anyone else so they/Alonso will be in the mix on race day, well let's face it, Massa won't be.

The big unknown here is Red Bull, having had to make several changes to their car to stop make sure it is legal and it has affected performance in recent races and they weren't in the hunt in Hungary. Indeed, Double World Champion Sebastian Vettel is on the longest winless streak since he joined Red Bull in 2009 having not won since Bahrain in April and the young German is currently a few points behind Mark Webber who has had somewhat of a resurgance this year having won at Monaco and Silverstone to become the leading chase driver in the Championship behind Alonso. No doubt Red Bull will be keen to avoid the infighting that nearly cost them the 2010 Championship and to ensure that they don't fall foul of any more FIA regulations as any more problems could see them slip behind Hamilton and possibly even Raikkonen.

Raikkonen is viewed by many as the dark horse for the Championship. He's only a few points behind Hamilton despite having yet to win a race this season which is a testament to his consistency, something which so nearly got him the 2003 title despite only winning one race all year (Malaysia). He's closed down bigger gaps in the past (2007) so he could play a major part in the Championship and if he doesn't ultimately end up in the mix at the end of the season, he'll certainly play a part in terms of taking points off other drivers as he will want to be in contention for podiums and wins as the first win has eluded him so far. He's certainly having a very successful comeback so far and has shown that the 2 years he's had out hasn't affected him whatsoever.

For Galahad 's circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
Apparently Italian media are reporting Alonso has blamed Hamilton for the 'incident'

Seriously?? He was a passenger right from the point where Grosjean drove into him.

Are we running a book on Hamilton getting a penalty for this?
 
Nah Coulthard thinks if Alonso did say that he's just stirring, which I think is safe to say Alonso likes to have a bit of fun with controversial comments. Lauda said Grosjean needs a two race ban for what happened given how close Alonso came to being decapitated.
 
I thought all of the top 3 did a great job. To me, Senna showed once again that he is unworthy of his car. I will be amazed if he has a drive next year.
 
My god Vettel had an absolute cracker of a race and some very good overtaking.

He just told Lee that his "start was shit, sorry my start was poor"
 
Well done to the Toro Rosso's - albeit they were very lucky with the accident at the start, but they still beat a Williams, a Force India and a Mercedes along with the usual suspects.
 
I thought all of the top 3 did a great job. To me, Senna showed once again that he is unworthy of his car. I will be amazed if he has a drive next year.

Well he did set fast lap or at least had it before the final lap. And also the strategy from Williams was shit. Could have been seventh or higher if not for that, at least I think so.

Also for all of you wondering about Maldonado replays did show he did not jump the start, but in an interview he said he thought he jumped it and that his hand slipped off the clutch.
 
Just seen interview with Alonso on BBC forum. He didn't blame Lewis at all (he didn't apportion blame anywhere).
Sounded rather scary, he was being treated for a pain in his back sitting in the car when the car caught fire & he decided to jump out because he couldn't breathe :o
Not often I feel sorry for Alonso but, phew!
Hope he's okay for Monza.
 
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The question I have is, if Senna was quick enough to get fastest lap, why did most of his race pace come nowhere near that standard? It is like a driver who is on the verge of losing his ride suddenly finding pace. To me, it makes even more of his (their) performances look lackadaisical--not what you want in a driver.
 
Re –Grosjean/Hamilton incident

I'd be very surprised if there's any punishment is handed out. There is precedence and Vettel is probably the worst perpetrator of this type of driving at the start of a race. FIA has always pussyfooted around the issue (save for a few Max Mosley/Alan Donnelly interventions) but maybe today will serve as a wakeup call.
 
siffert_fan most likely because his strategy until lap 40 was to one stop so he was trying to conserve tires but it didn't work at all so he came into pit once they were going off with 5 laps left. So from that point he was able to drive the wheels off of the car essentially without having to worry about tire wear and once unleashed was able to put in some fast times.
 
There is precedence and Vettel is probably the worst perpetrator of this type of driving at the start of a race.

I think this incident is quite different. The way Vettel has blocked off people in the past is over aggressive, but I don't recall him shoving someone already at the edge of the circuit on to the grass and causing a massive accident. Penalties aren't usually given out at the start, but I think one is more than deserved here.
 
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