Grand Prix 2010 German Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

We've now passed the mid point of the season and it certainly appears to be turning into a four horse race between the Red Bulls and the McLarens. Arriving in Hockenheim there are several questions between these two teams that need to be answered and it will be interesting come Friday morning to see how the weekend will play out.

The track suits cars that have excellent grip and balance between downforce and straight line speed. To that end you have to say that the Red Bulls are the best prepared cars to meet this challenge but how will the team be effected by the continued friction in the camp? McLaren's upgrades at Silverstone were almost a complete disaster and seriously effected their weekend. In the interim two week gap have their computers managed to sort out the blown diffuser or will they risk not using it and concede a small advantage to the RBRs?

Ferrari and Mercedes have to come good this weekend. Ferrari had another weekend they would want to forget in Silverstone. Despite the issues that Alonso had with penalties the car did show some signs of pace but once again his temperament was called into question while his team mate slips further into mediocrity. Will Massa slide further into the midfield or will he wake up? Rosberg keeps plugging away for Mercedes but the team still need to find a big improvement if it hopes to compete for wins by the end of the season. They have all the right ingredients but still can't seem to make a decent cake. As an all German team in owner and drivers there will be no hiding at Hockenheim.

The midfield has already been wonderfully summarised in TBY's post but it's fair to say that Williams, BMW Sauber and Force India will be fighting it out for the last points paying positions here. The improvement of both Williams and Sauber has been impressive in the last few races especially after both teams had an appalling start to their season. Obviously with both Hulkenburg and Sutil on home soil they will be looking to impress here. Due to the two different tyres being provided by Bridgestone this weekend Force India have deceided to maximise the time on track for their two regular drivers and therefore regular Friday test driver Paul Di Resta will be sitting this one out.

At the back end of the field I'm sorry to say that the three new teams will be left to scrap it out among themselves again since this track will not suit any of the new cars with their lack of downforce, mechanical grip and straight line speed. Lotus will be running Fauzy again on the Friday and I'm sure he will be praying for fewer mechanical issues than he had at Silverstone. Timo Glock is of course another driver who will be on home soil this weekend and keen to show what he can do. He split the two Loti in the time sheets over most of the Silverstone weekend and will be expected to do the same here. Much has already been written about HRTs new policy of driver swaps but Yamamoto didn't actually do that badly in Silverstone and it will be interesting given that he has now had some track time in the car to see how he compares with Senna's pace.

The two factors that will undoubtedly play the biggest roll in this weekends outcome are the weather and the tyres. All things being equal, I've got to go for a Vettel win but as Murry Walker used to say "Anything can happen in F1 and it usually does".
 
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A full wet fp2 session would help Hamilton as he wouldnt lose anything in repsect to his rivals as it would be an even playing field come saturday
 
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No grid penatly for Hmailton if they do chnage the gearbox (in case anyone was wondering).

28.6 For the purposes of this Article only, an Event will be deemed to comprise P3, the qualifying practice session and the race.
a) Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for four consecutive Events in which his team competes. Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will drop five places on the starting grid at that Event and an additional five places each time a further gearbox is used. Any replacement gearbox must be fitted with the same gear ratios that were declared under d) below and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question. Any change to the gear ratios declared under d) below will incur a further five grid place penalty. In either case a new four race sequence may start at the following Event.
Unless the driver fails to finish the race (see below) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it for three further Events. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second or third of the four Events for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a penalty being incurred.
A gearbox will be deemed to have been used once the car's timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane
 
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McLarenSupremo said:
A full wet fp2 session would help Hamilton as he wouldnt lose anything in repsect to his rivals as it would be an even playing field come saturday

If it turns out to be dry on Saturday then yes, that's a good point. However if it's still raining on Saturday through practice and quali, he'll probably have lost a bit of ground in terms of experience on the track when it's wet.
 
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Which begs the question, why don't all the teams change the gearbox every race during P1/P2?

I expect there are some other related rules which forbids this.

I'm not sure the rule posted above actually means a penalty won't be incurred as if they do change the gearbox, then less than 4 events will have been completed with the old one.
 
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FB said:
No grid penatly for Hmailton if they do chnage the gearbox (in case anyone was wondering).

28.6 For the purposes of this Article only, an Event will be deemed to comprise P3, the qualifying practice session and the race.
a) Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for four consecutive Events in which his team competes. Should a driver use a replacement gearbox he will drop five places on the starting grid at that Event and an additional five places each time a further gearbox is used. Any replacement gearbox must be fitted with the same gear ratios that were declared under d) below and will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question. Any change to the gear ratios declared under d) below will incur a further five grid place penalty. In either case a new four race sequence may start at the following Event.
Unless the driver fails to finish the race (see below) the gearbox fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it for three further Events. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first, second or third of the four Events for reasons which the technical delegate accepts as being beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the following Event with a different gearbox without a penalty being incurred.
A gearbox will be deemed to have been used once the car's timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane
Errrm, I would say if he has to change it and it wasn't a new gearbox for this race, then he would get a 5 place drop?!? That is if it was the same gearbox used in the last event..
 
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Hmmm, you may be right Rick - another piece of vague regulation from the FIA...
 
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So, if it's wet in FP2, will we see much running? Aren't the teams limited to 3 sets of full wet and 4 sets of inters (or is it the other way round..?) for the whole weekend, so either the drivers run around on severely worn out tyres or not run at all?
 
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That's right McZ - a completely stupid rule.

If it rains all weekend then drivers will need at least 1 set of extreme wets for the race, possibly 2, so that means 1 other set for P1, P2, P3 and Q which means no running in 2 out of 4 of those sessions.
 
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You have to wonder why teams don't simply design the gear boxes to last 5 GPs, that way if something like this happens you could swap it for an old gear box that will still be capable of getting the driver through the race...
 
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If it rains on Saturday as well, there will be practically no running in FP3 to keep tyres, and then as little as possible in Q1, and that could lead to the scenario we had in Malaysia with top teams getting caught out
 
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I'm not sure that would help MD.

A gearbox which has been used for 1 race (event) has to last 4 consecutive races (events) so swapping it out for one which has already done 4 races won't stop any penalty being awarded.
 
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Plus you'd have to reckon that most of today's F1 gearboxes could probably manage more than 5 GPs if they wanted them to. But because they don't, they can focus on performance.

Okay so now apparently it's going to be dry for FP2.

Wish the weather gods would make their minds up :givemestrength: LOL
 
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Enja said:
Okay so now apparently it's going to be dry for FP2.

But for how long? :D

About the Red Bulls. It was mentioned that both cars ran in FP1 with the old type of front wing. You know, the type that Mark won the British GP with. Apparently, they have two of the new type, but didn't want to risk damaging one of them. I wonder why! :whistle:

Just how much difference does this new front wing make, d'you reckon..?
 
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I believe most teams, if not all, delay putting their race gearboxes and engines in until Friday night/Saturday morning.

It's a difficult one to get right: If FP1 and FP2 counted as part of the "weekend", running would be severely reduced and the Friday fans would have little to watch.
 
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An excellent point G :thumbsup:

So it's possible/likely that Lewis was using an "old" gearbox anyway and therefore his current "race" gearbox will be fine?
 
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I wonder if Lewis has smacked up his EBD.

Leaving McClaren with just the one bolted onto Jenson's car..............
 
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Brogan said:
So it's possible/likely that Lewis was using an "old" gearbox anyway and therefore his current "race" gearbox will be fine?

"Old" 'box or "New" 'box, I'd be amazed if it was his race 'box.
 
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