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Featured Grand Prix 2017 Spanish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Grand Prix Discussions' started by cider_and_toast, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    what an effort by Alonso !
     
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  3. Rutherford

    Rutherford Rookie

    7th.
    He knows how to mouth people off, but he also performs on track.
     
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  4. TR

    TR Rookie

    So for tomorrow's race: Vettel hits Hamilton in first corner, and Bottas becomes the 11th winner in eleven years?
     
  5. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Rutherford Anyone who has got spare cash and need a world class driver need to speak to Alonso now not wait until the end tof the season like he said

    I think the silly season has just really started

    Mclaren Honda needs him more than he needs them and good luck to him.. it seems like Renault could come calling
     
  6. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    TR I think the right hand side track is dirty and off the racing line which could cause Vettel problems at the start
     
  7. Olivier

    Olivier Race Winner

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    Massa 9, Stroll 18. I would have expected some improvement from the Québécois but far from that he seems to have gone backwards. He blame the tires and he's ok with being a few seconds off Felipe's pace ... :facepalm:
     
  8. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Olivier Everyone has had trouble with the tyres because the track changed temperature but seeing Barcelona was one of the tracks Stroll tested and has knowledge it is disappointing he is only 18th

    One wonders if Vandoorne was in the car just how much closer he might have been to Massa
     
  9. olegg

    olegg Podium Finisher

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  10. olegg

    olegg Podium Finisher

    Ideal Lap (sum best sectors) in the Qual:
    Qual – No – Driver – Qual Result – Ideal Lap – Flaw
    1 - 44 - L.HAMILTON - 01:19,149 - 01:18,914 - 0,235
    2 - 5 - S.VETTEL - 01:19,200 - 01:19,172 - 0,028
    3 - 77 - V.BOTTAS - 01:19,373 - 01:19,207 - 0,166
    4 - 7 - K.RAIKKONEN - 01:19,439 - 01:19,328 - 0,111
    5 - 33 - M.VERSTAPPEN - 01:19,706 - 01:19,706 - 0,000
    6 - 3 - D.RICCIARDO - 01:20,175 - 01:20,117 - 0,058
    8 - 11 - S.PEREZ - 01:21,070 - 01:21,009 - 0,061
    10 - 31 - E.OCON - 01:21,272 - 01:21,011 - 0,261
    7 - 14 - F.ALONSO - 01:21,048 - 01:21,039 - 0,009
    9 - 19 - F.MASSA - 01:21,232 - 01:21,180 - 0,052
     
  11. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    Or JB.
     
  12. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    Is Vandoorne actually any good, then?
     
  13. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Since FA always excels in the Spanish GP, doesn't that seem to indicate that he doesn't really try anywhere else?
     
  14. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Pole Sitter

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    Grid is shaping up fantastically to have 3 teams within 1/2 second is a nice change from Some races in 2014-16 when merc were a second at least up the road. Id like to say it was brilliant lap which it was, but ferrari were Strange because both drivers Vettel & kimi lost nearly half second in just the final sector on the final run. 1 interesting fact was how todays qualifying showed the level of Sandbagging that goes on in febuary because kimi preseason did 1:18.6 ultra softs lewis 1:19.1 on the Softs

    Palmer i am beginning to feel his days are numbered as we almost got traditonal compliant again. As now for 3rd time austraila russia & spain "i was so quick yesterday & no idea where it went today"

    Finally anyone else have that timing screen glitch at the end of Q2. As it had alonso in Q3 which must have been some error. But seriously i know you like him or loathe him but no can deny that is 1 of the laps of the season. How he got that mclaren/honda engine to 7th is nothing short of a miracle. Is 1st time since comeback ive seen anyone from honda be able to crack a smile
     
  15. Rutherford

    Rutherford Rookie

    Palmers days were counted from day one, he was signed, because Renault couldn't find any other driver. He could have convinced the team to keep him through good performances, but he hasn't got the pace of Hulkenberg and can't extract the true performance out of the car.
    Yes, some say I have a reputation of belittling him, but his driving has been s**t all season, and from day two in Australia he always had some excuse.
    The last driver I've seen stay in F1 and use so many excuses is Maldonado, but he had freight ship loaded with money. Looking for excuses and blaming others isn't the way to stay in F1, only results matter (and money).

    However, it must be said that Vandoorne also didn't feel that the pace of P3 was there in qualifying. Vandoorne also needs to step up his game. Alonso may still be one of the fastest drivers on the grid, but Vandoorne is being shown up to extent were it could impact his career negatively, possibly ending it prematurely.
     
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  16. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives He's the master of going faster Contributor

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    Must be hard to not be down if your Vandorne though. You've been loyal to Mclaren for years, turning down other opportunities, and then when eventually they give you a car it's awful and barely runs for a few laps at a time. On top of which your teams entire focus is on keeping your team mate happy, a team mate who, unlike yourself, slags the team off constantly and gets media attention everywhere he goes. Add to the fact it's your first year in F1 with brand new cars your trying to learn and it's one hard sell.
     
  17. Bushi

    Bushi Pole Sitter

    According tot the media, Alonso has new bits on his car, a new engine, Vandoorne has to change his driving style a but more as he brakes tot late into a corner and keeps his foot on the Brake (something they learn in other classes) and he struggled for unknow reasons with the car on Saturday. If i remember correctly Alonso was 20kph Faster in the speed trap.
     
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  18. Bushi

    Bushi Pole Sitter

    Seems he gets a few new bits aswell as they have to change a few components in his car. So he falls at the back of the grid.
     
  19. olegg

    olegg Podium Finisher

    It was interesting race.
    But third minus second more than 72 seconds.... it is funny
     
  20. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    A Mercedes team win with Bottas doing his bit to hold Vettel up and taking enough time out of his lead to allow Hamilton to be close enough to overtake later in the race. That said, it's a team sport but the win wasn't just down to Lewis' great driving as Vettel had the faster car.
     
  21. olegg

    olegg Podium Finisher

    Yes, Bottas helped Hamilton to win.
    But very early second pit due to Vandorne virtual safety car could spoil his tactic.
     

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