Grand Prix 2012 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

After a long summer break, F1 has it's second race in a week as the circus rolls onto Monza for the last European race of the season and the season is finely poised as Championship protagonists Alonso and Hamilton failed to score after a lap one crash in Belgium. McLaren team-mate Button took his second win of the season to keep alive his Championship hopes and is 'only' just over 60 points behind Alonso and 16 points behind Hamilton.

Just as Spa is famous as a historical track, Monza is similar. Monza is the definition of speed and is one of the most famous tracks in history. But it's a track that has seen as much tragedy as success with several drivers losing their lives at the circuit, notably Ronnie Petersen and Jochen Rindt. This led to modifications in the circuit with the banking sections no longer used and chicanes added in to slow the cars down with the last change being in 2000 with a change to the first corner. However, drivers are still at full throttle for the majority of the lap and it presents a major challenge to the driver, even if overtaking isn't the easiest.

Going into the Italian Grand Prix, McLaren seem to be in the best form after taking 2 victories in the last two races but were very Jekyll and Hyde as in Hungary, Hamilton won as Button struggled, and in Belgium Button won while Hamilton crashed, but we will never know how Hamilton would have got on in the race but he was certainly not the happiest after believing a wrong rear choice hampered him in qualifying as he was eight tenths behind his team mate who took his first pole position since the Monaco Grand Prix in 2009.

Alonso's DNF played into the hands of Red Bull and especially Vettel who nearly halved the deficit to Alonso despite not making Q3 he took advantage of the carnage at the start, allied with some strong overtaking, notably at the last chicane to finish second and reduce the gap to less than a race victory. Webber also benefited despite not finishing on the podium as he reduced the gap to 32 points and only 8 points behind his team-mate. A race win in Ferrari's home territory for either Webber or Vettel would really strike home at Maranello and reduce the gap to almost nothing and would be a major psychological boost, just as it would if a McLaren driver takes the flag on Sunday.

The big disappointment of Belgium was Lotus, many expected them to be fighting for the win and had said that they had the best package going into the weekend, but their only produce was a third for Raikkonen, some way off the leaders after spending much of the first half of the race fighting with Schumacher. Team mate Grosjean caused a huge crash at turn one and as a result is banned from this weekends race as punishment. Lotus will be extremely disappointed not to have turned a very strong car and good performances into a win with 2nd place being the highest they've finished so far this season and a few times both drivers have been on the podium but the top step has been elusive. They won't be too confident of changing that in Monza as the track doesn't suit their strengths and they could well be behind McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari in terms of raw pace. However, just like in 2003, Raikkonen's consistency and abilty to bring the car home in the points means he's 4th in the Championship and is a major part of the championship despite having yet to win a race.

Mercedes certainly have the quickest car in a straight line and that will make them very competitive, as shown in 2011, but they suffer from very poor rear tyre wear which affects their traction and with slow chicanes that will cost them on Sunday but they could act as the joker in the pack with a strong qualifying performance and it was this that compromised Hamilton's race in 2011 as he was stuck behind Schumacher for the early part.

For Galahad's write up on the circuit - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/autodromo-nazionale-monza/
 
Hamberg......Why am I not surprised, you never believe anything related to Ferrari or Alonso. The pity of course is Alonso's mechanical problems are almost certainly a follow on from the hammering his car took in Spa. No matter how hard they check they can't x-ray every component. It's a shame that the accident that cost him one GP may well end up costing him this one also. I'll still bet he'll make a podium if no one takes him out.
 
Kewee... This breakage is almost certainly NOT a carry over from Spa!

The chances of the same anti roll bar being used is so small, it's negligible! The things that carry over are the chassis and the gearbox and the engine... Suspension components are regularly thrown away/ reconditioned after a single use!

Also- the strength of torsion bar for spa is almost certainly not the same as the one for monza - since the circuits have different handling requirements!
 
Interestingly, McLaren have 3rd and 4th fastest times in the speed trap, 4 KPH faster than Mercedes and Ferraris and 8KPH faster than Red Bull. So long as McLaren get their cars past turn 1, and look after their tyres, it should be very difficult for anyone to overtake them, as the only opportunity may be in the pits and they now have the fastest pit stops!
 
Whatever happens we can be sure Alonso will throw everything he's got at this one. The first two cars on the grid are the only two that have been as quick as Alonso.
 
Kewee... This breakage is almost certainly NOT a carry over from Spa!

The chances of the same anti roll bar being used is so small, it's negligible! The things that carry over are the chassis and the gearbox and the engine... Suspension components are regularly thrown away/ reconditioned after a single use!

Also- the strength of torsion bar for spa is almost certainly not the same as the one for monza - since the circuits have different handling requirements!
It depends on where the failure took place. It may have been at the anchoring point on the chassis which certainly could have been a result of the accident at Spa.
 
Grid penalties for broken cars is just bloody stupid....

This is one thing I can't agree with you! At the moment, if a driver breaks a front wing in qualifying, he can change this before the race, but if he broke it on the first lap of the race, then he would have to stop at the pits for a change... If we have parc ferme, it should mean exactly that! But I realise I'm probably in a fairly small minority on this!
 
Hmm, so it appears Alonso's problem was due to a broken anti-roll bar, although it would be interesting to know when it failed as he aborted his first flying lap in Q3 didn't he? Unless he was only fuelled for one lap to help Massa.

So I withdraw my earlier comments about them messing up (and that's not just because we have a Ferrari engineer as a member :whistle:)
 
Not that I really want to get involved in this but Alonso has a brand new chassis for this race - it was discussed during FP3 on Sky as they number them sequentially (I'm not sure since when).
 
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