The 2011 Regs Thread - DRS - Tyres - Kers

Slyboogy

World Champion
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We have seen other moments aswell, I am exaggerating a bit :p

But I can see it being to dangerous....there's also the Alonso and Hamilton factor aswell to consider in Malaysia with the KERS and the jink to the right Hamilton did.
 
Gotta say, I completely disagree with all the hate, I think the new rules are on the whole a breath of fresh air. While it is true that there could be a tweak here and there (the tyres feel a bit wrong, maybe if the thing of using both compounds was abolished and it was tidied up about saving gyres in qually).

As for if it is removing skill etc, look at the standings, there hasn't been some huge turn around, the big 4 teams are still at the top, vettel, alonso and Hamilton are still a bit better their respective team mates, rosberg is still faster than msc and the other 2 points positions are between Renault and the occasional sauber, force India and williams.

I hate to say it but I think it is much the same as it was last year but how we get there is just more exciting to the neutral which will bring on the all important sponsors that the teams need.
 

Slyboogy

World Champion
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Tyres GREAT
KERS fine
DRS fantastic

I have a feeling that if rules were introduced that cured cancer world wide, people would still find something to moan about. We've had jousting over several laps, lots of overtakes and people using the brains to make passes. See Button around the outside of the final turn on Rosberg was it?

Most overtakes previously to 2011 were slipstreams on the straight anyway, except there were only a couple a race. I love having races so hectic you can't take your eyes of the screen, it's perfect.

I see your point there, we are seeing more overtakes during corners and not straights....but it is still caused by these gizmos etc.

I don't mind it, it is exciting, but to see it every race....I think they have just added too many things this season.

I think they should have stuck with the tyres, and not KERS and DRS
 

Slyboogy

World Champion
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Another point....

I am really surprised how the drivers somehow don't forget not to use any of the systems, especially in qualifying they activate the DRS straightaway out of a corner.

They are driving flat out! How the hell can they manage to do all that???
 

Enja

isn't dead.
Valued Member
I think so far all the changes have continued to leave me cold, and generally empty. The races lack a certain level of intensity and tension. I wasn't on the edge of my seat when Hamilton passed Vettel in China, and I wasn't having nervous sweats during Turkey - the true indicator to me of whether I am truly excited by a race.

In a superficial light, it is easier to pass cars. But passing a car is different than overtaking another car. By simply blasting past another in the DRS zone, F1 doesn't provide me with either a sense of sporting endeavour nor a feeling of particular excitement created by hard, fair racing. Ultimately the tyres don't exactly make me happy, even though I wanted more strategy in the sport. That's because I don't feel the strategy really creates more interest - it just happens that cars pass one another at different stages in the race, but the end result seems to be very similar as to when they were behind one another. By passing another car you are not really gaining or losing anything, because there is no time lost behind someone who is slower than you - you simply blast past them.

All in all, it really does leave me cold.
 

Slyboogy

World Champion
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I agree Enja,they said at the start of the race that there is much less urgency into turn 1 as the drivers know two laps in there is the DRS zone and not risk a move...which explains why we haven't had many safety cars.

We have also seen many drivers just back out of defending....
 

Jru

Points Scorer
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As as far as I have seen KERS has made less difference this year with fewer teams running it (but with all that has been going on there hasn't been so much analysis of when it has been being used). I get the impression that there is an optimal place to use it and most of the time that is where it is used, although I would love to see drivers try to surprise people using it elsewhere then try and defend later on (when the other car has KERS left) (any examples of this happening) I don't mind too much though because KERS isn't needed so much with everything else that is going on.

The tyres have been interesting, certainly better than the bridgestones - the most damning indication was Monaco last year, Alonso pits on lap 1 and stays out the rest of the race. Or at least it was stupid given that everyone had to use the hard tyres anyway. I would like it if the Pirelli hards lasted a bit longer to give more variable strategy - we saw how it almost worked out for Button today, and Hamilton/Alonso/Webber/Vettel may have chanced staying out after others pitted if only the hards were more durable. I don't really consider the passing moves due to extreme tyre differences as overtakes, much like you wouldn't consider passing a backmarker an overtake. It is just a result of different strategies playing out and unfortunately these are then considered as 'false overtakes'. (DOF_Power would be having a field day this year! I think we need him back to make everyone else see the bright side of things a bit more often:o) There were however some great moves today, in particular the Button Massa Rosberg moves which left me speechless for a good while, you just ahve to look out for the good ones amongst the easy.

DRS has worked sometimes and not others - it has merely shifted the balance a little too far and now overtakes are a touch easy at times. I think it has been a little overused in the early races but they possibly wanted it to make an obvious change at first to avoid it being called useless (and some still did after Aus!). The best thing about DRS for me has been that it adds another layer of driver discrimination in qualifying, although I don't believe it should be free to use in the race. I also believe that if you had a sort of inverse DRS - increase downforce in the corners - the overtakes would look much better and use more skill, but unfortunately the risks of it failing are too great for this to be used.

All in all I think the regs changes haven't been bad but have just gone a little too far, but not by too much - we still have some great on track battles. I have still enjoyed racing this year although it seems there is little chance to stop and catch your breath - feel sorry for the commentators!

There is probably more I could have said about the rule changes but this is more than enough for now :oops:
 

Jru

Points Scorer
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From James Allen's site - a poll on whether DRS in Turkey made overtaking too easy:

Yes 77.79% (508 votes)
No 14.09% (92 votes)
Undecided 8.12% (53 votes)

Total Votes: 653

You would think that given results like this, the fact media outlets such as the bbc are willing to say the DRS made it too easy, and what the drivers have said, that there will be further tweaks to the system to make DRS more limited in the future. This will never address the issue of people on different tyre states catching and overtaking with ease (not an issue in my books), but it will hopefully reduce the amount of free passes to some extent.
 

Fenderman

Rooters Reporter
Fascinating figures. I should remember never to underestimate the masses! But then is this just the vocal minority?
 
Think so fenderman, blogs in general are places for enthusiasts, well except for Belle De Jour :) Also feel as someone whose degree was focused on conducting social surveys; the question is quite leading and the article around it is engineered to achieve that result IMO.

If I were to sum up this entire thread in a football analogy, everyone loves a 4-3 thriller and to make this happen more often, the goal posts have been made bigger, but most think that maybe a little to big and would like a slight change to make that thriller special as a rare occurrence rather than every time because true appreciation of the game recognises that a good game is more than the number of goals scored and good defence is just as impressive as Messi like attack.

Just looking for a compromise between goals so small that no-one can ever score and so large that they score every time, like a motor racing equivelant of basketball.

Am I pretty much on the right lines?
 

Andyoak

Champion Elect
Tyres: bigger gap between hard and soft needed and get rid of the silly rule where you have to use both sets. It should be a strategy choice decided by the team and driver.
KERS: No problem and it should be seen as part of the long term changes. By introducing it 2 years ago the FIA has allowed a certain amount of development costs for the 'new' engines to be spread out and be more affordable. Also, we need to recognise that engines will and need to change. Many of us would also like to see this tied in with decreasing fuel allowances.
DRS: Seems to be working but there will always be races where the zone isn't quite right (yesterdays being a case in point). Personally I want to see a complete relaxation on who and where it can be used and then I'll be a happy bunny.

I think the season and changes are shaping up nicely and we have seen some great over taking that still shows a great deal of skil... with the exception of MSC of course.
 

Chad Stewarthill

Champion Elect
Contributor
Tyres: bigger gap between hard and soft needed and get rid of the silly rule where you have to use both sets. It should be a strategy choice decided by the team and driver.
KERS: No problem and it should be seen as part of the long term changes. By introducing it 2 years ago the FIA has allowed a certain amount of development costs for the 'new' engines to be spread out and be more affordable. Also, we need to recognise that engines will and need to change. Many of us would also like to see this tied in with decreasing fuel allowances.
DRS: Seems to be working but there will always be races where the zone isn't quite right (yesterdays being a case in point). Personally I want to see a complete relaxation on who and where it can be used and then I'll be a happy bunny.

I think the season and changes are shaping up nicely and we have seen some great over taking that still shows a great deal of skil... with the exception of MSC of course.

I agree with you about tyres and KERS, but surely if the DRS was totally de-regulated it would become superfluous, as everyone would use it wherever they could and its effect would be cancelled out.
I like irishgreen's idea of freeing it up but limiting its use to a set number of seconds per lap, then it will become a matter of who makes best use of it, rather like the way the use of KERS seems to be panning out. Another tool within the drivers' control like that, but making them think about when and how they use it, can only be a good thing in my view.
 
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