Definitely both for me, although I tend to be influenced by my favourite drivers more than anything. Once those that I like have moved on/retired I often still harbour affections for their old teams. Hence I still follow Williams since my first favourite driver was Mansell and they also had Damon Hill not long after.
Teams or Drivers?
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snowy
Champion Elect
Both my favourite drivers drive for one of my least favourite teams.
Williams is also one of my least favourite teams for just that reason... Nige and Damon were treated appallingly once they had won the title. Frank's love affair with Alan Jones seems rather perverse to me.
I'm more or less neutral. I have some drivers and teams I don't like, namely Schumacher (either of them), Montoya and Alonso and dislike Ferrari for the favouritism shown to them previously and their belief that they are above the rules.
Other than that, I like to see any British team or driver doing well, but generally just enjoy the overall spectacle.
Other than that, I like to see any British team or driver doing well, but generally just enjoy the overall spectacle.
Cold corporate brand, are you kidding me ?!
This "sport" was created by such companies (the auto companies and suppliers part of the ACF) for such companies and it was always a team sport (meaning since 1906).
It went from promoting car companies and suppliers (Win on Sunday Sell on Monday) to promoting Marlboro cigars to promoting everything that brings money.
It never sold/ lost its soul because it never had one, and it was never created to prove who the best driver is.
Politics, financial interest, team orders, pay drivers and so forth were here since day one.
*Mod Comment* Consider this your last informal warning, after that you start getting issued formal warnings. Use of driver nicknames, particularly in an inflammatory manner is not permitted. Further, suggesting that an individual is "whining" could be considered "trolling." Fat Jez.
This "sport" was created by such companies (the auto companies and suppliers part of the ACF) for such companies and it was always a team sport (meaning since 1906).
It went from promoting car companies and suppliers (Win on Sunday Sell on Monday) to promoting Marlboro cigars to promoting everything that brings money.
It never sold/ lost its soul because it never had one, and it was never created to prove who the best driver is.
Politics, financial interest, team orders, pay drivers and so forth were here since day one.
*Mod Comment* Consider this your last informal warning, after that you start getting issued formal warnings. Use of driver nicknames, particularly in an inflammatory manner is not permitted. Further, suggesting that an individual is "whining" could be considered "trolling." Fat Jez.
Your well entitled to your opinions, DOF, but do you have to voice them in such an abrasive manner? Your points can possibly be construed as valid for certain teams, but not for others.
I completely disagree, money is not the main factor for a lot of privateer teams, show me when Williams has every made any money from the sport? Spyker? Minardi? HRT? Arrows? The soul of the sport does not just exist in those teams centred on making money, but resides in the fans worldwide, and in the drivers, and in most team principles.
Unfortunately, sponsorship is a necessary evil, required for teams that need to spend money to improve.
I think you'll find that pay drivers exist not because a team makes any profit for them, but because smaller teams tend to need the money to compete. I think you have a very twisted view of the sport that many people adore. I also have to ask the question, are you even a fan of F1?
*Mod Comment* Apologies for editing your post, but I have removed the inflammatory remarks made by DOF_Power. Fat Jez
DOF_power said:
I completely disagree, money is not the main factor for a lot of privateer teams, show me when Williams has every made any money from the sport? Spyker? Minardi? HRT? Arrows? The soul of the sport does not just exist in those teams centred on making money, but resides in the fans worldwide, and in the drivers, and in most team principles.
Unfortunately, sponsorship is a necessary evil, required for teams that need to spend money to improve.
DOF_power said:
I think you'll find that pay drivers exist not because a team makes any profit for them, but because smaller teams tend to need the money to compete. I think you have a very twisted view of the sport that many people adore. I also have to ask the question, are you even a fan of F1?
*Mod Comment* Apologies for editing your post, but I have removed the inflammatory remarks made by DOF_Power. Fat Jez
MajorDanby said:
I think you'll find that pay drivers exist not because a team makes any profit for them, but because smaller teams tend to need the money to compete. I think you have a very twisted view of the sport that many people adore. I also have to ask the question, are you even a fan of F1?
*Mod Comment* Apologies for editing your post, but I have removed the inflammatory remarks made by DOF_Power. Fat Jez[/quote:1kootj2f]
No insult on inflammatory intended.
Nativity. This is incredible nativity, been there, done that, have seen the light.
Trust me the more you know, the more it stinks, and in this "sport" everyone's a stinker.
It never had any soul, it was about winning, money (and I don't just mean poor teams or straight cash), national propaganda, even going as far as helping the Luftwaffe.
Williams, Tyrrell, Chapman, Neubauer, Ferrari, T. Mayer, R. Dennis I could tell you stories for a long time (cheating, backstabbing, banning the opposition's cars, bigotry, team orders and so forth).
Nice guys left a long, long time ago (Cooper, Brabham, Gurney ).
I'm really struggling to understand why you follow and post about a sport you obviously loathe so much 
Seriously, I don't like football and all the cheating that goes on so do you know what? I don't follow the games and I don't register on football forums to complain about it.
Seriously, I don't like football and all the cheating that goes on so do you know what? I don't follow the games and I don't register on football forums to complain about it.
RickD
Pole Sitter
I have to agree with this..Brogan said:I'm really struggling to understand why you follow and post about a sport you obviously loathe so much
Seriously, I don't like football and all the cheating that goes on so do you know what? I don't follow the games and I don't register on football forums to complain about it.
I am cynical, but not to this extent, I still enjoy the racing when it happens, along with the intrigue.
DOF - Do you actually like/follow F1? Do you watch the races?
i have always followed Mclaren, dont know why i choose them, honestly cant remember, and have stuck with them through thick and thin. i have been fortunate in that my favourite two drivers, Mika and Kimi have driven for them, and am now pretty happy with the driver paring at the mo.
With regards to current drivers, i follow Lewis most of all, mainly because of his style and believe that even if he left Mclaren, i would still support him (assuming he kept driving entertainingly) though to a lesser degree and i would be absolutely gutted if he left, but then the same thing happened with Kimi and i was still rooting for him with regards to the drivers championship in 2007 (though i supported Lewis the following year as Kimi decided not to bother turning up).
With regards to current drivers, i follow Lewis most of all, mainly because of his style and believe that even if he left Mclaren, i would still support him (assuming he kept driving entertainingly) though to a lesser degree and i would be absolutely gutted if he left, but then the same thing happened with Kimi and i was still rooting for him with regards to the drivers championship in 2007 (though i supported Lewis the following year as Kimi decided not to bother turning up).
If it were the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s then I would be as much a team man as I am a drivers man today. But sadly in the past 2 decades F1 teams have become increasingly commercialised and in doing so losing the bond which made us fans of teams. Sure we can still support teams and in a few teams there remains some great passion, constructed by years and years of success and nostalgia like Ferrari, Williams and McLaren. But these days it just seems a bit plastic now.
Personally I'm a big fan of the two Brits not because they are British but because I love watching them drive. I love the way Hamilton throws around his car. I love the way Button caresses his car gently through the corners. Brilliant.
Personally I'm a big fan of the two Brits not because they are British but because I love watching them drive. I love the way Hamilton throws around his car. I love the way Button caresses his car gently through the corners. Brilliant.
ErnieBeccs
Rookie
This rabid fanboy stuff originated on 606 I believe, its offensive. 
I support Hamilton and McLaren, if Lewis drove for Ferrari then fine, but I would still not support Ferrari because of dubious recent history and Schumacher, and its still going on.
I`m 64 year old and have seen em all, my list of genius, Clarke, Stewart, Senna, Villeneuve Gilles, Montoya, Hamilton.
The sport is about drivers because they are the unique component, the cars are simply tools to do the job supplied by the team who are secondary, despite what Montezemolo may say.
I support Hamilton and McLaren, if Lewis drove for Ferrari then fine, but I would still not support Ferrari because of dubious recent history and Schumacher, and its still going on.
I`m 64 year old and have seen em all, my list of genius, Clarke, Stewart, Senna, Villeneuve Gilles, Montoya, Hamilton.
The sport is about drivers because they are the unique component, the cars are simply tools to do the job supplied by the team who are secondary, despite what Montezemolo may say.
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