Current George Russell

Who is George Russell asked Titch - well he's is 21 year old from Norfolk who the latest Brit on the F1 grid. For once I can actually say I've watched this kid all the way up the ladder.

I first saw Russell in BRDC F4 (thank you ITV4) and he stood out then because in a field full of kids putting everything on the line for a win he was the only one who had the brain to think about the championship race and realise getting a decent haul of points was sometimes more important than chucking it in do or die style for the win. Low and behold he won the title. I next see him in European F3 in a field containing Felix Rosenqvist, Antonio Giovanazzi and Charles LeClerc. He was mostly midfield that year but spent a lot of time wheel banging with LeClerc. Word in the paddock is the two really don't like each other much. Shortly after that he got the ART seat in GP3 and pretty much walked his way to the title.

Which brings us to last year in F2. I'll be honest as much as I rated Russell I thought he was going to be crushed by Lando Norris - he wasn't. Once again he used his tactical brain to consistently get results and dominate the championship. It was very impressive considering the strength of the field. So Russell comes into F1 with back to back titles in GP3 and F2. The only other person to do that is his mate Charles LeClerc. So Russell is a very deserved addition to the grid.

With all the good stuff out the way it's time to focus on the bad news for Russell. As much as he is probably ecstatic to be in F1 his head is probably dropping at the fact that the team he has signed for have some serious problems. Williams have already missed two days of testing and the car is rumoured to be even slower than last years. So it could be a season of being at the back for George which is all good as long as he beats his team mate right? Well unfortunately this is not a good situation for Russell either as his team mate is Robert Kubica. If Russell beats him it'll be put down to the fact that Bobby is not the same driver after his injuries. If he gets beat by him people will ask why he couldn't beat a veteran who suffered almost career ending injuries. It really is a no win situation.

Russell's saving factor might be the fact he is a Merc junior driver. He has to hope that he has a good enough season to make people forget Ocon is on the sidelines. That paired with Bottas having an awful year could see Mercedes decide to take a chance on him in the A team. Personally I don't think Mercedes would ever run two Brits in their car so it might be the best he can hope for is a Racing Point seat becoming open.

So any thoughts on Russell?
 

F1Brits_90

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Il_leone

Champion Elect
Leclerc is on a 5 year contract with Ferrari so Mercedes will not pay him big bucks to get him unless he walks out which I dont see despite what happened today

Verstappen is the one Merc may hold out for but at what cost?

Ricciardo has tied himself for 2 years at Mclaren and Sainz as well at Ferrari

I am looking at beyond Leclerc and Verstappen and they are really looking at the future F1 drivers who could be a dominant force - Russell or Norris

A left field choice would be to bring Vandoorne back into F1 but only if he becomes Formula E champion, De Vries is too inexperienced at this point to be considered

If Russell does not get a Merc seat then it looks Toto is lining him up at Aston Martin as surely any dreams about Vettel should be well left alone by Mercedes

the key telling point is what is Hamilton's new contract length going to be , 1 year suggests 1 more title when all records are broken then that is it for Lewis. Any longer puts the pressure back on Bottas

The worst thing for Mercedes is to to field two new drivers for 2022
 

The Artist.....

Champion Elect
2 years that were disastrous and is the reason no sensible team tries it again.
McLaren had a history of having multiple drivers with a chance of winning:
  • Prost and Lauda (84)
  • Coulthard was recruited by McLaren in '95 as an equal to Hakkinen - they fought tooth and nail to get Coulthard
  • Raikkonen and Montoya
  • Hamilton and Alonso '07 - started the season with Alonso as a number 1, but allowed racing between the two
  • Button and Hamilton
Other teams have a history for allowing drivers to race:
Williams
  • Jones and Reutemann
  • Mansell and Piquet (86-87)
  • Hill and Villeneuve (96)
  • Montoya and Schumacher
 

RasputinLives

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Out of all those pairings you have mentioned there were only 2 drivers that achieved a title whilst the were partner with that team mate - I'm not counting Coulthard/Hakkinen because then idea of them being equals in the team is frankly ludicrous given what went on. More titles lost through those pairs compeating with each other than won.

The fact you've had to include Montoya and Half Schumacher in the list shows how few pairings and examples there are.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Il_leone if a Merc drive was available and Merc were interested then all those drivers would pimp their granny out to get it and buy out all sorts of contracts.

You mean like Mclaren in 2008 when Alonso was going to leave the team and pretty much every driver asked including Ralf Schumacher who Mclaren rejected. Sure no doubt but there will only be a shortlist they would seriously consider

Verstappen would but I am not sure he is worth the hassle but at the same time I want to laugh at Red Bull especially Marko and Horner for failing to give him a car that can deliver the title despite doing everything to accommodate him. Then again it would be funny if Mercedes told Verstappen to sort out his own contract issues first

Leclerc you would think he has a seriously expensive contract to buy out unless Ferrari pay him off

Ricciardo - the only condition I would think this might happen is if Bottas is swapped for him

Norriss - see Ricciardo but I would think Ocon or Russell would be considered ahead first

Sainz - another team change does not do him any good unless he has a huge fall out at Ferrari

Anyone else is after this lot

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Going back to my Merc F1 young driver theory this is what happened to them

Magnussen - signed with Stewart to end his association with Merc
Zonta - signed with BAR to end his Merc association - disastrous move for him
Heidfeld - Merc wanted him to replace Hakkinen but Ron chose Raikkonen
Paffett - Would have started at Prodrive but the team were not allowed into 2008 at the last minute veto

Hamilton - technically not a Merc driver but the nearest thing to Mercedes seeing an experienced driver with a young driver in 2007 - what a season it was

Wehrlein - backed by the Merc board but he p1$$ed off everyone who wroekd with him


Ocon - the result on Sunday will help him get his confidence back as long as Alonso does not destroy him next year
 
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F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
Russel won't be allowed to drive the Merc until Lewis decides he's had enough as Mercedes won't want two British drivers in their cars.
i know this is the wrong thread for this but who will be hamilton teammate then in 2022 because surely bottas cant last til then
 

cider_and_toast

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Out of all those pairings you have mentioned there were only 2 drivers that achieved a title whilst the were partner with that team mate -
You sure about your maths there mate?

  • Prost and Lauda (84)
  • Coulthard and Hakkinen
  • Jones and Reutemann
  • Mansell and Piquet
  • Hill and Villeneuve (96)
 

RasputinLives

Leave me alone I'm on Smoko
Contributor
Well I said I wasn't counting Hakkinen because the idea of him and Coulthard being equal is laughable. I'd forgotten about Hill and Jones but I would argue that Hill was number one over JV who was in his rookie year.
 

cider_and_toast

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And if you count the fact that Reutemann had a falling out with Lotus when the Type 80 proved to be shit therefore he ended up leaving early to join Williams, and Colin Chapman was very much a Mario Andretti fan then yeah, OK, it was 2.

:D
 

RasputinLives

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Why risk it? By the end of 2021 he'll have every record there is. Why bother rebuilding in the new rules and risking not being out front like he is now? What would he gain. Nah I reckon he'll call it a day and go off somewhere to concentrate on his music.
 

Dartman

Podium Finisher
Can't ever seee Hamilton cruising like Kimi waiting for contract time, then wake up and see if there is a team with a prospective good car and take him on for a glory season, Kimi still has it and only a sniff at a podium will drag it out.🙄
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Russel won't be allowed to drive the Merc until Lewis decides he's had enough as Mercedes won't want two British drivers in their cars.
There are not any young German drivers good enough to step into Merc nor many drivers they are deemed worthy to replace Hamilton and fill his boots. So unless the former arises then Russell still might
 
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