Crime and Punishment

What is Vettel's appropriate punishment?

  • No additional punishment is needed

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • Fine

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Point penalty

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Suspended race ban

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • Race ban

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Multiple race ban

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bannned from the 2017 championship

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Multi-year ban

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Community hours

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Another (harsher) penalty

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Total voters
    24

Olivier

Race Winner
FIA is investigating the crash where Vettel rammed into Hamilton at the Azerbaijan GP. Vettel has already been given a 10-second penalty by the Stewards. What is your take. What do you think it's appropriate penalty for the German given the circumstances. According to the experts, this "road rage" event has little precedent so the deliberations can be lengthy.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
for me if they are to give him any penalty. suspended race ban is just. as i saud in race thread. i feel the threat of ban is better for keeping him in check than actual ban for the remainder of the season
 

vintly

Mostly bacon
Premium Contributor
Vettel and his entire family should be hung, drawn and quartered, erased from the record books and their home town flattened. And he should be banned. From heaven and hell. He should go to a special motor racing pergatory, The McLaren of netherworlds, to wait in endless agony to be forgiven for his awful, hideous naughtiness.

Seriously really do we need a poll with 10 choices to confirm we have different views? I think Hamilton should be given a 10 second stop and go every time he needs to say something.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
A suspended race ban is pointless given he is already on it based on the points system

The only logical result is DQ because all other punishments does not and possibly may not impact what he has gained .. banning him next race Hamilton might get no points so hardly punishing Vettel
 

racecub

Champion Elect
My choice isn't on the list. It's 'other' but not harsher than some on the list. I think he should have been black flagged and should therefore lose points from Baku...as Wombcat said.
 

Mezzer

A fine chap if ever there was one.
Contributor
My suggestion is not really available, I would leave the immediate punishment as is, but extend the window that his current 9 points cover by 2 months (I understand he has 3 expiring after the next GP).
 

The Pits

Harumph. Again.
Valued Member
Personally, I think that the current penalty should suffice, although I think that an additional suspended penalty being applied with specific conditions regards to "anti-petulance" with a more severe consequence would be warranted. I think that the points system is a good one, as it allows for those errors of judgement and moments of madness without being overly draconian, however, there will be circumstances which fall outside the reach of this which could be dealt with in a different way, similar to the yellow and red cards in football. Another visible display of petulance be it related to radio to an official or on the track demonstration to another driver and you will be subjected to an enforced period of time off.
 

Greenlantern101

Super Hero And All Round Good Guy
Contributor
I think he should of been black flagged so he should loose the points from Baku. A further 10 place grid penalty would then follow at the next race. The 3 additional points on his licence should remain.
 

TR

Rookie
I think the severity of penalty handed during the race has been somewhat shadowed by how the race unfolded. In particular, Hamilton developing an (unrelated) issue with his headrest, and rejoining the race behind Vettel has given the impression that Vettel was handed a light penalty during the race.

However, if we look at the penalties given in recent years, stop-and-go penalties are fairly rare. Typically, "causing a collision", if penalized during a race, leads to 5 or 10 second penalties. (see e.g. Rosberg in Austria last year). In contrast, Vettels 10 second stop-and-go (effectively a 30 second+ penalty) is quite severe (and rightly so).

Although he could have been given a more severe penalty during the race (in particular the 3 penalty points seem light), I don't think it serves any purpose to further increase that after the fact.
 

racecub

Champion Elect
There's a very official looking document floating around the internet saying Vettel has been DQ'd from Baku for breaching 27.4 of sporting regs. It was reported by the Sun then taken down, now the mirror have it . It appeared on Twitter and was latter posted by someone with a tweet saying to be aware it's fake news.
Thought I'd mention it in case anyone comes across it.
 

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Contributor
The meeting was due to take place today so it is unlikely that any announcement will have been made yet.

There are many official looking documents floating around on the web, most of them are fake.
 

Rutherford

Podium Finisher
It is only a meeting between Todt and Vettel. The only result from the meeting will be whether or not the case will be taken to the FIA court for further rulings.

I don't know why people / journalists are publishing obviously fake documents.
 

siffert_fan

Too old to watch the Asian races live.
Contributor
Personally, I think that the current penalty should suffice, although I think that an additional suspended penalty being applied with specific conditions regards to "anti-petulance" with a more severe consequence would be warranted. I think that the points system is a good one, as it allows for those errors of judgement and moments of madness without being overly draconian, however, there will be circumstances which fall outside the reach of this which could be dealt with in a different way, similar to the yellow and red cards in football. Another visible display of petulance be it related to radio to an official or on the track demonstration to another driver and you will be subjected to an enforced period of time off.

If petulance on the radio is an offense, then virtually EVERY driver will be found guilty!
 

racecub

Champion Elect
He's got away with it. No further action...but he can't do road safety work and has to behave, blah, blah, blah.


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