Grand Prix 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Back in 1986, when the Iron Curtain still divided East and West, the visionary that is Bernie Ecclestone decided to have a Grand Prix in a Communist country. Some say this was the beginning of the end of Communism and Bernie should be mentioned in the same breath as Reagan and Gorbachev, Thatcher and Yeltsin. Personally I think this is a load of old cobblers. Bernie knew he could turn a buck or two and with Hungarians starved of top line sport, apart from football, he knew they would turn up in their droves; which they duly did.

Fast forward 30 years and we are still making our annual pilgrimage to the Hungaroring. Communism, in Hungary at least, is a system of the past. Any trip to Budapest will present you with the usual range of crap fast food stores you now find everywhere else in the World but, at least, the city fathers in the 60's and 70's chose to build their brutalist structures outside the city so much of the original architecture is still preserved.

So what has happened at this circuit over the last 30 races? Nelson Piquet won the first for Williams. Many think of this as a Williams circuit, and they have won 7 races there. However, McLaren have won 11. I suspect Ron Dennis would give his right arm to win this year, although perhaps not as this would spoil the symmetry of his body and put him into OCD overload.

Back in the early years the Hungaroring was often referred to as the "Monaco of the East" as the the races often were very processional and featured little overtaking. That said, Piquet's overtaking maneuver on Senna in '86 and Mansell's on Senna again in '89 are both worth tracking down on YouTube. Damon Hill very nearly won for Arrows in 1997, after being dumped by Williams, and Jenson Button took his first win at the wheel of a Honda in 2006.

Lewis Hamilton has the best record of any driver currently on the grid, in Hungary, with 3 wins. But it's worth remembering that Danny Ric won in 2014 and Seb Vettel in 2015 and, I seem to recall, it has resulted in this race being voted close to the top of CTA's "Race of the Season". I'm not sure if this was a reaction to somebody other than Mercedes winning but the races have been anything other than a procession in the last few years.

Here's a bizarre fact (courtesy of Wiki), for the first 20 years there wasn't a wet race in Hungary. I think the last 10 years have made up for that.

So, Happy 30th Birthday to the Hungarian Grand Prix. Please serve us up a few surprises. Something more than a Mercedes 1-2 on the grid and 1-2 in the race would be nice. Red Bull believe they might have a chance here, with all it's tight twists and turns. I'm sure Ferrari would like to break their 2016 duck but I'm not that hopeful.

Behind these three teams I suspect we will be looking at the also rans. Williams will continue to be a bit crap and be behind Force India and Toro Rosso here as their car doesn't really like corners all that much. You would think the engineers as Williams would have considered that the car needed to go round corners when they first designed it.

McLaren might be able to mix it with the midfield runners a little more here, with only one long straight for their GP2 engine to have to worry about. At the back Haas and Renault will struggle for pace and reliability. Manor and Sauber will just struggle. What might be interesting is the rumour that Sauber will have a new investor. If they bring in some serious money I would suggest they give both drivers and Monisha Kaltenborn the boot but then I'm not investing so they aren't going to take any notice of me.

Hungary - menj, menj, menj as the Hungarian Murray Walker might say.
 
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Also, the FIA must surely know that every single driver in the field goes outside the track boundaries at least 3 times a race. Do they think WE'RE the idiots?
 
I think those who claim to have have been so bored with the Hungarian gP that they stopped watching or switched over to some other sport on another network might have done well to remember that there was an alternative choice this weekend, which was also to do with top-level motor racing i.e the WEC round at the Nurburg.

This is supposedd to be a motor racing forum , primarly for motorsports fans, right?
 
Well yes exactly. Other motorsports on show yesterday.

For what it's worth I didn't think the race was anywhere near as dull as everyone seems to make out. Seen a lot worse. Rosberg wasn't exactly 20 sec behind Hamilton and the Ferrari-Red Bull battle with the different tactics involved was quite interesting. Nothing too edge-off-seat but I've seen a lot worse.
 
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the problem is the track itself which does not lend to great racing because track position is important and you just form a queue potentially behind you

it was a shame Ricciardo did not have more speed to catch the Mercs

I'm afraid the races for this track will stay the same each year just like Spain being processional unless they modify the track to make it more easier to overtake
 
The reason Rosberg wasn't 20 seconds behind Hamilton is because Hamilton was attempting to win the race in the slowest time possible in order to save his engine units and what not. It was quite clear he was capable of pulling away anytime he liked. I watched it from start to finish because I am a motor racing fan but that doesn't make it any less dull.

When even the ever positive Sky F1 team say it was dull you know it was a shocker.
 
Call me old fashioned but I found it very interesting and taught old school sort of way. More or less anyone who pulled off a pass had to work pretty hard to get it done. There was a lot of racecraft on show, both offensive and defensive. Even the dreaded DRS did not make an overtake a sure thing or a done deal. If piece of cake DRS overtakes float one's boat, fine, but I like to see the cerebral battle in play as well as the split second instinctive stuff that gives the "wow" factor. So, yes not a lot of "wow" but there was plenty of tension - Raikkonen versus Verstappen was a pretty interesting case in point.
 
A well-reasoned argument Fenderman, but if I want tension without 'wow' I can watch chess. That's a bit harsh I admit but exemplary driving, formidable composure and unrequited tension simply isn't enough. I'm no fan of basic DRS overtakes either, but it was a boring race. I've told Beenie and co to sort it out pronto, or I'll withdraw my support and then where would they be eh?
 
But out you do expect that when one is a second and a half quicker per lap then they should stand a chance of overtaking. It was obvious after three laps that Raikonnen did not stand a chance which makes the whole exercise pointless.
 
I was decorating & listening to the Test Match, and my Sky+ failed to record it, but it did record me the 30min "Best Bits" on Monday night. I had to laugh when I watched it last night, as the aforementioned "best bits" totalled 3:
1) the start (replayed 6 times from various angles & onboards)
2) Kimi running into Max on Lap 57
3) The last 3 corners of Lap 70

The test match, on the other hand, was gripping...;)
 
Call me demanding but I'd rather see passes, failed-but-aggressive pass attempts, near misses and a bit of danger to be genuinely thrilled. Otherwise it simply ain't thrilling.
 
I don't even need to see passes to be exciting, if one car is following on the others gearbox and attempting to pass (diving to the inside, trying to go around the outside, etc) then I find it very exciting, even if the pass never happens
 
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