Grand Prix 2015 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

There is something - indeed, almost everything - different about the Monaco Grand Prix. Free practice will take place on Thursday, and F1 will take Friday off. The race will be 40km shorter despite having more laps than any other Grand Prix, and its winners will jump out of the car straight to the 'podium', which will be made up, simply, of a red carpet. Most strikingly, Bernie Ecclestone does not ask for a fee from the organisers in order to include the Grand Prix in his Championship.

The track is old: it has scarcely changed since 1929. The building of the Ranier III Swimming Stadium in 1972 still represents the biggest change that has ever been made to the course. It is very slow by Formula One standards - pole laps frequently average less than 100mph, and the shortening of the distance does not prevent the winning time pushing over one and three-quarter hours even when the red flag has not been thrown. Some of that is also because the Safety Car is so much more likely to appear.

The Safety Car doesn't prevent overtaking in Monaco too much more than the layout itself does - with the pole sitter having won every dry Grand Prix there since 2004, with 2008 standing as the only wet event in that period, won by Lewis Hamilton from third having planted the wall at exactly the right moment! Track position is vital; an undercut is difficult to pull off, and passing someone on dodgy tyres is staggeringly hard. Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso found in 2011 that the only overtaking that occurs in Monaco is when they were overtaken by events.

Winning at Monaco is an interesting achievement. It can certainly underline your reputation as a great (Senna's 6, Schumacher's 5 and Prost's 4), although there are some conspicuous absentees (Clark, Piquet, Mansell). Some find a groove there that they don't maintain elsewhere (Webber, Coulthard, Trintignant), and some have their solitary moment in the sun there (Trulli, Panis, Beltoise). Either way, those that win at Monaco will tell you it is the best circuit on the calendar to win on. Graham Hill's legend will always be founded upon his achievements here.

Who will be the 2015 winner? Following on from Catalan victory, Nico Rosberg will be heartened by his own form in the principality, having won dominantly in each of the last two years. He'll also enjoy that Monaco has never served as a favoured circuit to his team-mate Hamilton (whose only win came courtesy of said lucky walling, and has not finished ahead of a team-mate who actually completed the distance otherwise), and has certainly not favoured Ferrari (who have only won there 8 times from their 61 attempts, and have not taken a victory there since 2001). Although the differences at Monaco are often exaggerated, sometimes constructors do find the circuit to their liking if they focus more on aerodynamics than power, which suggests that this may be Red Bull's best chance to challenge Williams this season.

However, predicting what might happen on a Monaco race day is often a fools' game. It could well be a tedious procession, but it could well be full of drama - a good position can often be thrown into the ubiquitous Armco, the lack of new engines for this circuit could lead to one going pop or a frustrated move down at the Grand Hotel could lead to a front-wing buckling. Last year, lest we forget, Jules Bianchi achieved his one-and-only points finish in Formula One - the only points for the new-for-2010 teams in 5 years of trying. There have been many tedious processions here, but there has been 1970, 1982, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2008 and 2011 too. Lets hope to add 2015 to that illustrious list.
 
I know I only skipped through qualifying but didn't I hear Brundle saying something about Hamilton taking up the role of team leader and does this mean that he is the de facto or maybe even the de jure number one driver in the team, which would suggest that, that was the reason the contract took so long to sign because he was demanding number one status.
 
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He's already stated he has never asked for number one status, but then Alonso also said the same and no one believed him either. When Hamilton said he hadn't asked for number one status, why not just take him at his word.
 
That is not what I am saying, there are plenty of drivers in F1 because they pay to be there and whereas the ones that are there on merit does not make them the best in the world at all motor sports.

There are a multitude to motor sports that F1 drivers would be simply mediocre at for example Schumacher a great F1 driver but not very good on a motorbike F1 drivers that have tried their hand at rallying have just been mid field at best, F1 winners have gone to other disciplines and never won anything in them, do you honestly believe that Hamilton, Alonso, Button, Vettel could go to lets say touring cars and be the best at it? Because if you do then you are deluding yourself.

F1 is so technical that the driver counts for less than 5% of the race result and that is being generous, other forms of motor sport rely far more on driving skills.

Your statement about them being the best Kewee is far too general to be taken seriously..
 
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He's already stated he has never asked for number one status, but then Alonso also said the same and no one believed him either. When Hamilton said he hadn't asked for number one status, why not just take him at his word.
Vettel said the same thing and the Red Bull team backed him up, what is said in public and what happens in fact are often two completely different things, just ask Mark Webber.

Oh and by the way Kewee regarding Alonso not having number one status I'm guessing you have blocked the FIFTY comment out of your mind..
 
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I actually deleted that posting Mephistopheles because I didn't think it was worth arguing about. The top F1 drivers would shine in touring cars and often have in the past. I've always said Indy Car racing is far more about the drivers skill and less about the technology which is not the case in F1, it's the opposite, but to suggest a driver counts for less than 5% is ridiculous. Frank Williams gives 25% to each of four area's, engine (horsepower), aero, tyres and the last 25% goes to the driver. For what it's worth the racing driver I rate above all others is Sebastian Loeb, but going back to my posting, based on F1 being the pinnacle of motorsport when we watch F1 were watching the best in the world.
 
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When Hamilton said he hadn't asked for number one status I watched his lips moving so I have no reason to doubt him. :)

You couldn't tell me anything about what went on behind the scenes with Mark Webber, I could write volumes but I'm not going to.
 
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Okay.

Fernando Is Faster Than You, do you understand?

And later.

Thank you for being so magnamimous I know you don't know what that word means but I will explain to you later.

And by the way Fernando was not faster than him in that race..

Am I speaking a foreign language or something? Don't for one moment tell me you don't remember that incident, because I won't believe you for one second, it was that radio message that reversed the no team orders rule..
 
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You couldn't tell me anything about what went on behind the scenes with Mark Webber, I could write volumes but I'm not going to.
It is what went on, on the race track that was blatantly obvious that matters, that and Webber's sarcastic comment about not being bad for a number two driver, anyone with half a brain could see the truth of the matter..
 
Mephistopheles ... Of course I remember that message but that had nothing to do with Alonso's status when he signed his contract at the beginning of the season. Ferrari have always started the season giving their drivers equal status and then favoured the driver who will obviously be challenging for the title at the end of the season. When that message was sent out it seemed very unfair but in reality Massa was never going to be challenging for the title ahead of Alonso. It was only a few years earlier Kimi had to play backup to Massa who had the better chance of taking the title in 2008, even though Kimi was the current World Champion. Hamilton managed to get there but as we know it came down to the last lap of the last race. I've seen and read the interviews with Alonso where he was very clear saying he has never asked to be number one, only to be treated equally, something he believes he wasn't given during his first year at McLaren. Ron Dennis has since indicated that was true. Going back to Hamilton I believe him when he says he wasn't asking for number one status, you feel free to distort what he said.
 
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It is what went on, on the race track that was blatantly obvious that matters, that and Webber's sarcastic comment about not being bad for a number two driver, anyone with half a brain could see the truth of the matter..
It's what went on behind the scenes just before the start of a few GP's that affected Webbers on track performance that I'm talking about.
The comment your referring to happened after the new front wing was taken off Webbers car and given to Vettel during the last practice, Im referring to things that happened out of the public gaze.
 
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You took the conversation off topic Meph. All I said was Hamilton stated in an interview he hadn't asked for number one status and I believe him. For what ever reason you turned it into an argument, as you do with most topics. If you dropped the aggression we might be able to communicate, maybe you don't want to.
 
Going back to your initial question Mephistopheles :
I thought Brundle's comment was about Hamilton taking responsibility for leading his team (i.e. his side of the garage), not the team, after recognising that things hadn't been going well up to then, encouraging them and himself to 're-set' - i.e. 'we start again from here'. And it worked.

I may be wrong, but I didn't think that there was any inference in Brundle's comments that because of this Lewis was number 1 Mercedes driver.
 
Kewee,
Who, who has seen them, could forget:

The debut Monaco appearance of one Ayrton Senna in a Toleman in the wet, catching Prost hand over fist until the Frenchman's protestations from the cockpit eventually persuaded clerk of the course Jacky Ickx to end the race early with a red flag.

Senna dominating in 1988, leading by nearly a minute, until stuffing it into the barrier at Portier after a lapse of concentration late in the race, storming straight off to his apartment rather than going back to the pits.

Senna (again), this time defending for the last few laps against a charging Mansell in 1992, after the latter had had to pit from the lead for new tyres.

Damon Hill leading by half a minute in the rain in 1996, with Schumacher having crashed out at the Mirabeau on lap one, before the Englishman's engine eventually failed leaving the race to be won by Olivier Panis, one of only seven finishers.


Formula One has some major problems at the moment, but Monaco is certainly not one of them. For me, it's a highlight of the season and one of F1's crown jewels. But don't take my word for it, ask the drivers; they love it. I heard Sebastien Vettel say that to Martin Brundle only yesterday and Lewis Hamilton clearly considers it special, to attach so much importance to finally claiming a pole position there.
 
I hope the F1 boys were watching the WSR 3.5 race. Oliver Roland pulled off some brilliant overtaking maneuvers, including one into the swimming pool which I've never seen anyone do before. Nasty accident at St Devote where two cars got caught up with one another and ended up in the tyre barrier. An entertaining race (positivity!)
 
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