Grand Prix 2015 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

There is something - indeed, almost everything - different about the Monaco Grand Prix. Free practice will take place on Thursday, and F1 will take Friday off. The race will be 40km shorter despite having more laps than any other Grand Prix, and its winners will jump out of the car straight to the 'podium', which will be made up, simply, of a red carpet. Most strikingly, Bernie Ecclestone does not ask for a fee from the organisers in order to include the Grand Prix in his Championship.

The track is old: it has scarcely changed since 1929. The building of the Ranier III Swimming Stadium in 1972 still represents the biggest change that has ever been made to the course. It is very slow by Formula One standards - pole laps frequently average less than 100mph, and the shortening of the distance does not prevent the winning time pushing over one and three-quarter hours even when the red flag has not been thrown. Some of that is also because the Safety Car is so much more likely to appear.

The Safety Car doesn't prevent overtaking in Monaco too much more than the layout itself does - with the pole sitter having won every dry Grand Prix there since 2004, with 2008 standing as the only wet event in that period, won by Lewis Hamilton from third having planted the wall at exactly the right moment! Track position is vital; an undercut is difficult to pull off, and passing someone on dodgy tyres is staggeringly hard. Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso found in 2011 that the only overtaking that occurs in Monaco is when they were overtaken by events.

Winning at Monaco is an interesting achievement. It can certainly underline your reputation as a great (Senna's 6, Schumacher's 5 and Prost's 4), although there are some conspicuous absentees (Clark, Piquet, Mansell). Some find a groove there that they don't maintain elsewhere (Webber, Coulthard, Trintignant), and some have their solitary moment in the sun there (Trulli, Panis, Beltoise). Either way, those that win at Monaco will tell you it is the best circuit on the calendar to win on. Graham Hill's legend will always be founded upon his achievements here.

Who will be the 2015 winner? Following on from Catalan victory, Nico Rosberg will be heartened by his own form in the principality, having won dominantly in each of the last two years. He'll also enjoy that Monaco has never served as a favoured circuit to his team-mate Hamilton (whose only win came courtesy of said lucky walling, and has not finished ahead of a team-mate who actually completed the distance otherwise), and has certainly not favoured Ferrari (who have only won there 8 times from their 61 attempts, and have not taken a victory there since 2001). Although the differences at Monaco are often exaggerated, sometimes constructors do find the circuit to their liking if they focus more on aerodynamics than power, which suggests that this may be Red Bull's best chance to challenge Williams this season.

However, predicting what might happen on a Monaco race day is often a fools' game. It could well be a tedious procession, but it could well be full of drama - a good position can often be thrown into the ubiquitous Armco, the lack of new engines for this circuit could lead to one going pop or a frustrated move down at the Grand Hotel could lead to a front-wing buckling. Last year, lest we forget, Jules Bianchi achieved his one-and-only points finish in Formula One - the only points for the new-for-2010 teams in 5 years of trying. There have been many tedious processions here, but there has been 1970, 1982, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2008 and 2011 too. Lets hope to add 2015 to that illustrious list.
 
"Childish prick" shakes hands with race winner.

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I am surprised no one learnt from 2011 when Button was clearly the fastest man on the track but he was firmly stuck behind ALonso and Vettel who both were on worn tyres but could not get passed because they had track position
 
There is no way anything I've seen from Hamilton could be construed as childish, on this occasion.

Mercedes took an unnecessary gamble, and lost. If he'd come out ahead, he'd have just pissed off on those super-softs. Applying conventional strategy to an unconventional circuit doesn't work.

Under the circumstances, he was extremely emotionally in check, when I would have forgiven him for wrestling the trophy off Rosberg, ripping up the kerbing at Sainte Devote and throwing Eddie Jordan in the harbour.

No-one is going to take away his fluke at Monaco in 2008; you win some and lose some. I'm sure Canada can't come quickly enough.
 
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No-one is going to take away his fluke at Monaco in 2008; you win some and lose some. I'm sure Canada can't come quickly enough.

I'm sure Lewis understands the vagaries of F1. It is a lottery because it is all run by committee. Once the driver is in the car let him decide what should happen - sod the telemetry and the endless interference from your engineer and pitwall!
 
Looks like everyone has to shoulder some responsibility, although the lions share falls with the Merc team.

Hamilton thought Rosberg had stopped
That's what instigated a conversation with the pit wall in which he expressed his concerns about the tyres. It's here where there appears to have been a miscommunication – Hamilton thought Rosberg had pitted, and the team didn't realise that's why he was so agitated about the tyres.

They were suddenly not working from the same script.

Instead of reassuring him that neither Rosberg nor Vettel had pitted, the team heeded his tyre concerns. They did the sums and decided that there was sufficient time for him to pit and resume still safely ahead of Nico and Vettel.

In effect there was nothing to lose – it would give him a little extra comfort zone for those last few laps, and probably allow him to pull away from Rosberg once again, since the German would still be on his well worn softs, and stop any chance of the two of them getting into a fight that could end in tears.

In theory you could view the decision to stop as a safe, conservative choice.

"You rely on the team," said Hamilton. "I saw a screen, it looked like the team was out and I thought that Nico had pitted. Obviously I couldn't see the guys behind so I thought the guys behind were pitting.

"The team said to stay out, I said 'these tyres are going to drop in temperature,' and what I was assuming was that these guys would be on options and I was on the harder tyre. So, they said to pit. Without thinking I came in with full confidence that the others had done the same."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-what-made-mercedes-get-it-so-very-wrong
 
A whilst I am on a roll, when does banter turn into personal attack? Answer: usually once our best British driver is involved!

It is fine to disagree with someone - we all do. It is totally wrong to describe anyone as a 'hater', to dismiss their opinion merely because you disagree and even worse to vilify them as the 'class clown'.

So many regulars/ex-regulars on this site get/got endless nastiness from those who disagreed.
 
Looks like everyone has to shoulder some responsibility, although the lions share falls with the Merc team.

Hamilton thought Rosberg had stopped
That's what instigated a conversation with the pit wall in which he expressed his concerns about the tyres. It's here where there appears to have been a miscommunication – Hamilton thought Rosberg had pitted, and the team didn't realise that's why he was so agitated about the tyres.

They were suddenly not working from the same script.

Instead of reassuring him that neither Rosberg nor Vettel had pitted, the team heeded his tyre concerns. They did the sums and decided that there was sufficient time for him to pit and resume still safely ahead of Nico and Vettel.

In effect there was nothing to lose – it would give him a little extra comfort zone for those last few laps, and probably allow him to pull away from Rosberg once again, since the German would still be on his well worn softs, and stop any chance of the two of them getting into a fight that could end in tears.

In theory you could view the decision to stop as a safe, conservative choice.

"You rely on the team," said Hamilton. "I saw a screen, it looked like the team was out and I thought that Nico had pitted. Obviously I couldn't see the guys behind so I thought the guys behind were pitting.

"The team said to stay out, I said 'these tyres are going to drop in temperature,' and what I was assuming was that these guys would be on options and I was on the harder tyre. So, they said to pit. Without thinking I came in with full confidence that the others had done the same."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-what-made-mercedes-get-it-so-very-wrong
Christ, that will flummox the masses!
 
Were we to be left disappointed?

Nope, there it is!
It ain't only women who are allowed to change their minds and anyway it is hard to stay quiet when you see so much duplicity in peoples posts.

On one hand when Lewis wins it is all him and his great driving ability and at the same time if he loses it is not in any way shape or form his fault it is all because the team let him down, whatever happened to F1 being a team sport? What happened to we win as a team we lose as a team, or is it only a team sport when its suits the opinion of the writer? It was fine for him to ignore the team in Hungary last year when he was told to let his team mate through he was a hero then but suddenly for some reason he is not allowed to ignore the team when he is asked to make a pit stop, I seem to remember another driver in Hungary a few years ago who when told to make a stop to change tyres the reply was an emphatic NO I'M STAYING OUT.

What happened is simple to explain, Verstappen hits the wall and a virtual safety car is thrown for the first time in history at this point the race is neutralized as all the cars must maintain a set speed and all the gaps between the car remains the same, at this point Lewis has the required gap to pit and get out ahead of Rosberg but then a real safety car deployed and this is where the mistake was made by Mercedes and Lewis the delta times are faster under a real safety car and a virtual one this would not have been a problem but Lewis caught up to the safety car and was losing time due to him being behind it so the two drivers behind him are going faster than he, the team did not spot this but Lewis must have known he was losing time and it at this point he should have questioned whether it was safe or not to come in but he didn't and that was his mistake.

The team was caught out by the new virtual safety car rules and when I say team I include Lewis in that, so make up your minds is it a TEAM sport or isn't it?

Of course there is always the other explanation and that is they did it on purpose to bring the team mates closer together in the championship to create controversy and keep the fans interested for a few more races I know how you all like a good conspiracy theory to gossip about...
 
and what I was assuming was that these guys would be on options and I was on the harder tyre.
You know what they say don't you?

Assumption is the mother or all fuck up's

Without thinking I came in with full confidence that the others had done the same."
How dare I suggest that Lewis was partly to blame! I mean that notion is so ridiculous some might even call it "Laughable"
 
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That's more for the fans suggestion thread isn't it? I'm all in favour of banning pit-car-pit radio but whilst it's there people will use it. To get the timing that wrong was highly unusual.
 
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