Grand Prix 2015 Canadian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

In 1976 Montreal hosted the Summer Olympic games. This in itself is not that interesting a fact but what is interesting is that it is estimated that the Olympic stadium cost the city of Montreal somewhere in the region of 1.6 billion Canadian Dollars by the time the bill was fully paid in 2006. What does this have to do with F1? Well apart from the obvious, that the Circuit Ile Notre-Dame, as it was originally known, or the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve as it became known, is partly built around the 1976 Olympic Rowing lake, there is a wider reason to celebrate the GP. In the wake of the Olympics the city almost bankrupted itself. Such was the dodgy state of the finances after the Canadian government insisted that the full costs were met by the City, that anything that wasn’t nailed down was auctioned off. What this highlights is that while on the surface, it would seem to be the greatest show on earth, under the surface the shear effort required to project that image can do lasting damage. Surely an analogy for F1 if ever there was one.

This is why we must celebrate Canada and the Canadian GP. From the moment that Gilles Villeneuve won the first race held in Montreal in 1978 the circuit has proven time and time again what an asset it is to the F1 calendar. There are any number of great moments that spring to mind from Button harrying Vettel into a last lap mistake to take an unlikely win, to the hilarity of Nelson Piquet winning for Benetton in 91 after Mansell had caused his own engine to cut out when he’d been leading by a mile and slowed down to wave to the crowd. There are even small events such as Takuma Sato in his Super Aguri chasing down and eventually passing Fernando Alonso to finish in 6th place. A move that gained him the award for ‘Overtake of the year’ showing that F1 fans have a sense of humour even in F1 doesn’t.

The circuit itself remains refreshingly unchanged from its first race in 78. There have been minor changes to kerbs and a pit lane extension to cope with NASCAR grids but apart from that little else. Back in the mid-90’s before Bernie outlawed the teams having fun unless they paid a ‘fun premium’, the mechanics would hold a raft race across the Olympic rowing lake, on the Thursday before the race. From my old and dusty Jordan F1 team supporters club letters, it would seem Jordan picked up the winners trophy in this race several years before Damon Hill picked up their first trophy on track. It could be argued though that Hill was possibly only slighter drier than the Jordan raft building crew.

That’s the sort of atmosphere that surrounds the race though. It’s tough, it’s unpredictable and it’s hugely enjoyable. For those who like a drink with their F1, there are more than enough ‘drinking game opportunities to be had including every time the ‘wall of champions’ gets a mention or stories surrounding Alesi’s first win or the Olympics. The race will be live on both Sky and the BBC again proving how popular it is.

As for the current grid, coming off the back of Monaco, this is the shot in the arm that the sport needs. Hamilton will be odds on favourite to add to his three victories at a circuit where he took his first win and one that he clearly enjoys. Proving how difficult it is to succeed here, only a handful of drivers have won this race more than once although Michael Schumacher does account for a staggering 8 wins at this track.

Let’s hope that Canada doesn’t let us down because it rarely does.
 
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Bang to rights. If he can't see all those red lights he shouldn't be on the track.
 
For those that didn't see the drivers press conference, and the "discussion" between Massa and Verstappen after Felipe mouthed off about young drivers after Monaco. Have a listen from about 17 minutes.

 
As I understand it, penalties are always applied in order they were 'awarded', based on the new grid each time.

Button didn't particpipate so starts from the back.

Then Verstappen qualified 12th and the 15 place grid drop is applied.

Then Vettel has his 5 place grid drop applied.

So it should be Button, Verstappen, Vettel.
 
Yeah vettel cant have any complaints absolute slam dunk. I saw at least 3 signs & going at 192mph

I thought that was good from max ive said on twitter im glad he had a go than resigning himself to being stuck behind, & I think he rattled massa especially when crofty ask him the question related to max response about Canada 2014
 
Actually, it looks like the stewards haven't yet ruled on Button starting the race, so I suspect it will be him at the back.
 
I thought penalties are applied in the order they are given

So Verstappen was given his 15 place penalty first

Then Button his unless the rule starts none participation -

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...tice_qualifying_and_race_start_procedure.html




http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...-hamilton-on-pole-as-vettel-hits-trouble.html

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...15/6/button-to-miss-qualifying-in-canada.html

It appears Button will start from the pitlane pending stewards discretion I think they will look at his practice times and consider whether he is not going to be a mobile chicane

As for Vettel which makes it sound like he will be ahead of Verstappen but behind Manors

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...ets-grid-penalty-for-red-flag-infraction.html
 
I thought penalties are applied in the order they are given
They are.

As for Vettel which makes it sound like he will be ahead of Verstappen but behind Manors
If Verstappen was given his penalties first, which would drop him from 12th to last (19th), that would push Vettel up to 15th.

Then when Vettel is given his 5 place drop, that will put him 19th, behind Verstappen.

How and why is the additional 10 second stop and go penalty given when other penalties can't be served?
If it was given to Verstappen then surely it should also be given to Vettel?
 
Mephistopheles He was applied the penalties first - 5 grid for Monaco crash and then 10 grid for engine change so they have to apply his penalties first before other drivers unless someone did not set a time within 107% of the fastest time .

Verstappen because he can't serve his full grid penalty he has get stop for 10 seconds further in his pitstop

Basically Verstappen is 19th and Vettel is 18th
 
Best place for him, no chance of him getting mullered in the first corner and then he can pull straight back into the pits at the end of the first lap when his engine goes tits up...
 
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