Grand Prix 2014 Australian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

24 years old. Apprenticeship fully served, and finally arrived in one of the two seats that you've been working towards sitting in for years; that of the quadruple reigning champions. And to start with, your home Grand Prix. All you need is for the car and engine combination to maintain its previous stratospheric standards...

At time of going to press, testing has shown little sign that Daniel Ricciardo's dream will be realised. Although, it has to be said, at time of going to press, testing has not been quite as indicative as it could have been. We don't know who is going to be fast and we won't know until the lights go out in Melbourne.

Ricciardo's team-mate, paradoxical pantomime villain and quadrakaiser Sebastian Vettel is going for his tenth race win in a row, although early suggestions are that his assault on double figures might not be as straightforward as some of the previous nine. At Jerez, getting to double figures in terms of laps was a struggle..

Ricciardo will have to make sure he performs well this season to make sure he keeps the dream seat ahead of Daniil Kvyat, presuming the young Russian puts Jean-Eric Vergne's F1 career to sleep in a dignified and respectful ceremony.

Lotus, meanwhile, have very little money, necessitating the parachuting in of Scrooge El Duck as their driver to back up 2012's other panel-beater Romain Grosjean. Their nose looks rather different to anything else out there, and is closest in design to Williams' 2004 walrus nose. Which doesn't save the fears.

McLaren and Mercedes will back up their silver cars with a British World Champion, a Mercedes engine and a plethora of team principals. Button is, of course, the Melbourne specialist. They've got some running in at Jerez; it is unknown whether either are quick, but neither are stationary.

Fernando Alonso's Ferrari hegemony is about to be challenged by Kimi Raikkonen's arrival. Raikkonen won in Australia last year, so he's got form, and this race will be the first to tell us if Ferrari team radio this year will be a story of two passionate racers abusing their engineers, or two old men moaning about their backs.

Sauber's driver line-up is the most boring thing in Formula One since the US Grand Prix of 2005.

Nico Hulkenburg gets ready for his third consecutive last year before he is signed by a big team. A poor Force India will lead to the Hulk crying himself to sleep, while team-mate Sergio Perez comforts him with stories about how McLaren isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Williams have an interesting partnership; Felipe Massa released from the suffocating stranglehold of the Alonso anaconda and partnered with an almost-ripe pretender in Valteri Bottas. They have a new old livery, a new sponsor and new hope. Williams-Mercedes still doesn't sound right.

And, hey, the 2014 Australian Grand Prix has to be the best chance for Marussia and Caterham to actually score a point; only 9 of the other teams' engines need fall apart and 6 of them are made by Renault! Race finishing expert Max Chilton could be the beneficiary. Although he could actually finish 11th if there are only 10 finishers.

So, all that's left to talk about is Melbourne itself. Despite the rugby and cricket last year, the Grand Prix itself has been quite Pommie friendly in the last several years! The yellow lines at the edge of the track bordered by green walls have been a sign of F1 starting for a number of years, and there has been good racing backed up by poor reliability. And, boy, do we expect poor reliability...
 
We could end up with a year where Massa and Hamilton are in a year long fight for the championship that culminates with Hamilton pulling off an overtake on the last lap of the last lap of the last race to win the championship even though Massa wins the race.

Or Hamilton winning in Abu Dhabi to move 19 points clear in the championship, with Massa in 6th place, just needing to pass one more car...
 
Blog Zbod - Don't think US05 a fair comparison. Better to see them try and fail than not try at all.
I don't think the fans who've paid €239 to watch a professional F1 race will be so magnanimous. If Melbourne is a debacle, it will be the result of a failure on the part of the FIA to anticipate the consequences of its own decisions, as was Indy in 2005.
 
Blog Zbod this stance against the rule changes wouldn't have anything to do with you being a Red Bull fan would it?

Only 3 cars finished Monaco 1996 and I doubt one single fan thought they hadn't seen a motor race.

Mixed weather conditions? Hurrah. Seems like Papa Smurf has pulled a few strings with the big man upstairs (not Bernie) to lay it on a plate for JB!

Bottas for the title by the way!
 
Blog Zbod - There is a massive difference between withdrawing and having a car break. One is a consequence of racing and the other is a consequence of not.

There was 6 starters at Indianapolis. That's a farce. 6 finishers is not: there's the run to turn 1, the survival of the fittest, the victory of the fastest is there.

We could have a poll, Indy 2005 or Monaco 1982? I know which would be described as a farce despite the fact the other was utterly ridiculous.
 
Apart acts of G-d, the uncaused first cause of everything that transpires in F1 is the FIA.

The 2013 season saw the lowest retirement rate in the sport's history. If 2014 proves to be the highest retirement rate in the sport's history, the cause will be exactly the same: developments that occurred in direct consequence to FIA rules changes.


RasputinLives, first, you mistake me for a Red Bull fan. I marvel at their accomplishments, certainly, but that in no wise makes me a Red Bull fan. I guarantee you there is not a single item of red Bull kitsch or memorabilia in my house. Not even a can of their beverage in my fridge. I haven't had a favourite team since the day Colin Chapman died, although the Scuderia comes closest.

Second, I am opposed to the V-6s turbos because there was deceit in the stated rationale behind their imposition. As is the case with all hybrid-powered automobiles, when you lump together all the expenditures in manpower and materials, these new cars have a dramatically larger financial and environmental price tag than their predecessors.

And third, the bee I've got up my bum at the moment is the lack of developmental time in conjunction with such monumental changes. The fact that Renault-powered teams are furthest behind is irrelevant. What is relevant is that even the best-prepared teams are questionable. In my view, fans paying hard specie to watch a professional F1 race should receive, in return, a professional F1 race, not beta testing. The FIA have been irresponsible in not making certain a more suitable opportunity for development was provided to the teams.
 
F1 is always beta testing. F1 has always been beta testing.

So, we come to the question - Monaco 1982 or Indianapolis 2005? Lack of effort or lack of competence? Up to you.
 
I would like to see more retirements. The bullet-proof reliability of the last years is quite boring.

Besides: think of all the discussions it would provide for on the forum. You can have even more lenghty discussions about which driver was set back more through retirements that weren't his fault. So you got more to talk about between the races.
It's a win-win situation:1st:
 
F1 is always beta testing. F1 has always been beta testing.

So, we come to the question - Monaco 1982 or Indianapolis 2005? Lack of effort or lack of competence? Up to you.

Monaco 1982 would have been boring had Prost not crashed himself. Just would have been a bunch of guys retiring.

Indianapolis 2005 was the powers at be refusing to allow a compromise on the grounds of safety because Ferrari were going to win otherwise.
 
Wow, just checked the results of Monaco '82. So, only 1 guy finished and the rest of the field ran out of fuel and crashed?
Never know that happened in f1 before.

I only saw Indianapolis 2005, well for a few laps until I switched the channel. In my eyes the biggest farce that has ever happend in f1.
 
Bushi - He spun out on the penultimate lap too, and supposedly rolled it down the hill and bump started it.

It was far more interesting than Indy, at any rate.
 
Well Monaco 1982 was a hell of a lot more interesting, no contest there. People spun out because rain fell in the last few laps and it everybody was on slicks. That at least was part of racing.
 
Bushi - He spun out on the penultimate lap too, and supposedly rolled it down the hill and bump started it.

It was far more interesting than Indy, at any rate.

:snigger: I badly wanna see that race now.
Howe ever the season still has to begin, maybe we experience something similar this year.
 
No celebration from Patrese on his slowing down lap... in the days before cockpit radio you could only rely on pit-board signals, which obviously told you of your position on the previous lap. Riccardo had no idea he'd won until he stopped.
 
With Kevin Magnussen in what looks like a much improved McLaren, I was just wondering, has any driver ever won on their F1 debut?
 
Greenlantern101 - There be 3. Giuseppe Farina, of course, in the first F1 race, the winner of that year's Indy 500 as well!

But, since these technicalities, it is just Giancarlo Baghetti waiting for all the other Ferraris to retire at Reims in 1961, and then beating Porsche home.
 
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