Grand Prix 2012 Japanese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Traditonally the title decider but now earlier on the calendar, the F1 circus rolls into Japan with the championship finely poised with Vettel closing in on Alonso despite a setback in Monza. At the moment it's a two horse race with the German and the Spaniard but don't count out Raikkonen and Hamilton just yet, The Finn's incredible consistency has meant he's third in the championship and will be there or thereabouts at the end, particularly if the updates that Lotus are bringing to Japan benefit. Hamilton is in one of the fastest cars on the grid (if not the quickest) and was robbed off a probably win (certainly at least second) in Singapore with gearbox problems and the loss of 25 points has threatened to derail his championship. With 6 races to go he's 50 points behind Alonso. The only benefit for Hamilton, and indeed Raikkonen and Vettel is that Alonso isn't in the fastest car. The only reason that Alonso has been on the podium in recent races is from DNF's from other drivers and also the sheer skill of the Spaniard to drag an average car to places it shouldn't be and that is why he's top of the championship with a reasonable margain, but it's certainly not comfortable and I expect the title to go to the final race in Brazil.

In Singapore, McLaren and Red Bull were the class of the field and I think this will continue in Japan where both teams have been traditionally strong in recent years with Red Bull winning in 2009 and 2010 and McLaren in 2011 with Hamilton taking a podium in 2009. The worrying thing for Ferrari is the hit and miss pace of Sauber and Williams as Perez took 3 points off Alonso in Monza and Maldonado could have taken the final podium place until he had to retire in what was his best drive since Spain. What's interesting also is that with the 4 drivers going for the championship, they are all from different teams and how the 'other' drivers do (Webber, Massa, Button, Grosjean) do will have a significant impact on the championship. Romain Grosjean has already managed that when he took out Hamilton and Alonso at the first corner in Belgium, this enabled Vettel to close 18 points on Alonso, something that is unlikely to happen again this season (such a big swing anyway, unless there are more DNF's).

Races in Suzuka have generally been sunny and dry, but in 2004 and 2010 qualifying was held on Sunday morning due to conditions the day before so rain isn't an impossibility although the last wet race at Suzuka was in 1995 with the last wet race of any kind in Japan being in 2007 with the downpours at Fuji which provided a classic race in the torrential rain. Ferrari will be praying for rain as generally this season it's where they've been able to maximise their car as 2 of Alonso's 3 wins have come in rain affected weekends in Malaysia and Germany. Considering the amount of wet practices/qualifying we've had this season, there hasn't been that many wet races with only Malaysia being wet (not including Monaco as it was still too dry for intermediates at the end of the race).

The Japan/Korea double header will have a big say in the title fight if nothing else than to decide if it's going to be a 2 horse fight or a 3/4 way fight. Certainly Hamilton can't afford any more DNF's and Raikkonen needs to win at some point, although a DNF or a low points score for Alonso would blow the championship wide open and this would play into the hands of Vettel who in my opinion is the favourite for the title at the moment unless Ferrari can find more pace in that Ferrari as Vettel is roughly only one wins worth of points from Alonso and he has the car and the speed to compete for the win at all remaining races. But then I think him and Hamilton are the only two capable of that, the big difference is is that Hamilton is a further 30 points down the road, it's superbly poised, a lot better than this time 12 months ago when the Championship was all but over with Vettel leading by over 100 points

Suzuka circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/suzuka-international-racing-course/
 
Kinda thought the Red Bulls would have it on this one but Kimi's spin did stop anyone else at least trying.

Vettel will get a clean start tomorrow and be about 3 car lengths in front by first corner - Webber will get bogged down on the dirty side of teh track and Kobi will be in front of him through first corner. Vettel will dissapear off into the distance whilst the pack backs up behind Kobi and then it'll all be a race for second and who ends up on the best tyre strategy.

I'm still hoping Kobi scores a podium tomorrow but think he'll have to be on top form to do it.
 
Button sounds pretty optimistic about their long run pace:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19855415

"Lewis's run yesterday was by the far most consistent, the least amount of degradation and blisters, and compared to the Red Bulls it was much, much quicker. It's promising."

All the analysis I've seen suggested Red Bull were quicker in the long runs, but maybe he knows something we don't about fuel loads.

I was thinking Lewis' setup issues in qualifying may turn out a big positive in the race. Generally as the tyres go off, you get oversteer and I've heard at times drivers saying they built in more understeer, which hurt them in qualifying, but allowed them to counter the oversteer in the race when the tyres degrade.

If Lewis and Jenson can somehow not fall too far behind the Bull's and then if they have to pit due to blistering, the McLarens can put their foot down! Probably wishful thinking.
 
Not sure if anyone noticed but when Sebastien Vettel took pole today and found an unusual way to celebrate. As he got out of his car he raised his index finger in a salute to having taken first position on the grid. If I can find some images of this celebration I will post them as it seemed quite unique ;)
 
Did anyone notice the Williams mechanics adjusting the set up of one of their cars using a highly sophisticated tweaking tool?

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the high speed corners which requires a lot of downforce just seems to suit Red Bull and Vettel's driving

As long as he does not fluff the start he has got this one

Webber the unluckiest man in F1...he has not been on the podium since he won in Silverstone !. No one is wondering why? His achilles heel has been starts due to his additional body weight as well and I feel he will get mugged first corner

Kobayashi has nothing to lose as he is fighting for his race seat so I expect him to do a kamikaze move on Vettel if he gets a sniff and he knows how to pass around Suzuka
 
All the cars have the same weight which includes the driver. Any difference in weights is due to the amount of fuel that the teams put into their cars. So why should Webber be disadvantaged due to weight?
 
Aren't all cars fuelled to the max for every race?
there's no difference in car weights (between teemmates) for that
The cars are made lighter than the Regs allow so the teams have to put lead weights (you know what I mean!) in the car to tip the scales.
Sporting Regs 26.1 provides for weighting to include the driver, therefore the heavier the driver the less lead weights they have to add to the car.

In other words, VET's car and WEB's car will weigh exactly the same at the start, but VET's will have more lead weights around the tub, and WEB's will have more blubber in the tub !
 
The lighter the driver the more ballast is required to make up the minimum weight, which is 640kg.
Using ballast allows the team to evenly distribute the weight and get a good balance.

Therefore the lighter the driver, the easier it is to get the perfect balance and weight distribution.
 
sure, Brogan but if the weights are identical between teammates - which they are - the inertia at the start is identical so it's all down to skill how they start, nothing to do with whether one teammate is porkier than the other.

It's when they start lobbing it into corners that it matters how the weight is distributed (for balance in the car), but that's not the start, which is what we're now talking about since Il_leone in #129 above.
 
Also, the ballast shouldn't give any advantage any more as there is a set front rear weight balance for all teams- largely so no team got an advantage with the tyres.....

I suppose the only scope to apply ballast is from the centre line outwards....
 
Agreed the_roadie, I was just trying to clarify the point on weight/ballast.

Also true The Artist....., but I suspect where the ballast is placed relative to the centre line may make a small difference.

I could of course be talking bollocks as it's almost 1:30 and I've been on the G&T's for several hours :D
 
In an F1car Spesh, does have previous in any other series?

Nope, he did it the European way. Formula 3, then into GP2 who don't do Japan then F1 for his 2 races there, he may well have driven round it many times but has only ever raced there twice.
 
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