Grand Prix 2012 European Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Valencia........ :bored:

Even Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are more exciting in comparison. Valencia is the only grand prix on the calendar that I genuinley do not look forward to. It's dull, boring and hasn't provided an interesting race at all since its inception on the F1 calendar in 2008. Thankfully it won't be a regular feature in the future as it will be alternating with Barcelona in the future.

Going into the Grand Prix Lewis Hamilton is back as the Championship leader after becoming the 7th driver to win in 7 races with victory in the Canadian Grand Prix. After missing out on the podium in recent races he was back with vengeance after fighting back from starting second and being third with 10 laps to go but thanks to fresher tyres he made easy work of Vettel and Alonso in the latter laps who fell away after a gamble to one stop failed. In the end Roman Grosjean and Sergio Perez finished on the podium and it is testament to the unpredictably of 2012 that it wasn't the first time either of them have been on the podium this season.

From race to race no team has been consistently at the very front, in Spain it was Williams, in Monaco it was Red Bull and in Canada it was McLaren. Both Ferrari and Lotus have probably been the most consistent package over recent weeks but not enough to win races with podium places the highest they can manage, but considering the start to the season Ferrari made, that probably isn't a bad thing and Alonso is only 2 points off the championship leader with world champion Vettel just one point behind in third.

It's a complete reversal of 2011 as this time last year Hamilton left Canada with a world of problems after a DNF which involved a collision with team mate Button who went on to win one of the best races of his career passing Vettel on the last lap. But 12 months later Hamilton won the race with Button finishing a lapped 16th. What's worse for the 2009 champion is that was on merit as well and not down to any car failures or pit problems, it marks a horrid fall from grace after winning the opening race in Melbourne and an early run of podiums but now he is struggling to even get into Q3 and convert that into points finishes. Button appears clueless as to where the problem lies and it may not be a short term fix as the car isn't slow as Hamilton is currently proving. It could be already over as far as Button's title hopes are concerned as he is currently 43 points behind Hamilton and has roughly half the points total.

It is also interesting to note that Button was further behind the leader last season and he was second in the championship, while at the moment he lies in 8th behind both Lotus drivers who are the only front running drivers yet to win a race (excluding Schumacher) and having come close in Bahrain and Spain they will want to be the next winners and take the total to 8 winners in 8 races and with both Raikkonen and Grosjean closely matched it's hard to say who is the more likely. But it's Grosjean's form which is the most surprising, a lot of people questioned why he was given the driver role given the way he was outperformed in 2009 and a lot of people said he would be outraced by the returning Finn, but after 7 races he is only 2 points behind and that is despite several first lap incidents where he has been the innocent part in some cases but not others (Malaysia). With the pendulum swinging from race to race it is hard to predict who will have the upper hand in the Spanish heat.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/valencia-street-circuit/
 
Great race loved it.

PS

I said before the race that Hamilton wouldn't score any points as I have sacked Jenson and taken Lewis as his replacement in my FF1 team so what happens Jenson scores some points for the first time in ages and Lewis crashes out. so that in a nutshell is why I don't gamble.....

Oh by the way my other driver is Romain...

Once again great race, I've got nothing to say on the Pastor / Lewis incident.....
 
Loved the race, once it got going, and we have to remember this was Valencia.

Nando seems to be the main man at the moment (always had faith in him, sorry) and the vicar is a bit of a handful. Reminds a bit of the 'olden' days!
Don't apologizes Jen, gloat, its much more fun. ROFL

Apparently there was enough fuel in Alonso's car for a sample.
However, I was under the impression that cars had to be driven back to the pits unless unable to due to a mechanical or other problem.

Once again the rules and consistent application of them leave fans scratching their heads.
The rules regarding this are quite different during the race than they are during qualifying.

Brogan Apparently, the rule only applies to qualifying since that is when Hamilton managed to make it an issue (sic) :whistle: . Apparently repeated incidents of parking after the checquered flag do not attract the same attention. maybe that's because hamilton hasn't used that wheeze .... yet.:D
The rule applies in Qualifying because light fueling over one single flying lap provides an obvious advantage. The most likely outcome of light fueling during the race is the likelihood that you won't finish. Any perceived advantage of carrying one litre less fuel for a twenty plus lap stint is immeasurable. As long as the FIA can obtain a fuel sample there's not a problem.
 
Maldonado is a complete liability, he keeps on driving into people and will continue to keep on doing it. He just seems to get angry in the cockpit and turn into a lunatic. As others have said in this thread, why did he not just wait and he would have a guaranteed podium, but no, he has no patience drives off the track because he wasn't far enough ahead of Hamilton to make a move there and then decides to drive back onto the track into Hamilton. When he was side by side with Hamilton and off the track, what must have gone through his mind when he turned the steering wheel to the extreme right? It's obvious he was going to crash into Hamilton. In my mind, that is the main issue here - he has yet again deliberately driven into someone and really dented someones championship campaign.

Vettel's pace was rather frightening before he retired. I really don't know how Red Bull manage to bring so my upgrades. Throughout this season they've redesigned their exhaust / floor about 5 times - pretty much at every race. Then at this race they bring almost a new car. Someone said 70% of the car was new. I really do not know what McLaren are playing at. They start the season off fastest and seemed to have just stayed still. The only notable upgrade I can remember is their higher nose, oh and those little vanes on the top of the side-pods. The rest of the car, externally, looks very similar to how it did in Australia. They seem to have spent all their time developing new pit stop devices, that still fail!

Lets just hope they have something big for Silverstone, because otherwise, we'll just have another Red Bull domination. I suspect the other big teams are going to have to copy this latest "double floor" concept that Newey has come up with.
 
I expected this race to be anti-dull, but not as exciting as it was. One of the best all-around GPs I have ever seen. This ranks right up there with the 2007 German GP at Nurburgring with the insane rain and the Alonso-Massa battle on the drying track. What a great race. Is there anyway that Valencia can just replace Barcelona?
 
riskitall......The unanswered question of course is what Vettels tyres would have been like during those final ten laps. They fell away badly in Canada remember and Hamilton who won convincingly there on different tyre strategy was loosing his tyres at Valencia on the same tyre strategy Vettel was on so there's still a question mark over that one.
 
Kewee

I do hope that posting a serious reply whilst quoting my sarcastic reply does not signify that you lack a sense of humour. That chap in your Bugatti always led me to believe otherwise.:)
 
It has just occured to me that Maldonado got the same penalty that Hamilton did for not crashing into Raikonnen at Spa in 2008 under identical circumstances but where Lewis bailed out and then overtook on the next straight. Kimi then ended his own race very shortly after. Beggars belief!
 
riskitall......The unanswered question of course is what Vettels tyres would have been like during those final ten laps. They fell away badly in Canada remember and Hamilton who won convincingly there on different tyre strategy was loosing his tyres at Valencia on the same tyre strategy Vettel was on so there's still a question mark over that one.


true,but vettels pace in canada wasnt as massively fast as it was in valencia.without the safety car and his dnf he would have won easily.he could have had a extra pitstop and still won.
we'll see what happens in silvertsone anyway.
 
Maldonado is a complete liability, he keeps on driving into people and will continue to keep on doing it.

Especially so if the stewards continue to issue cowardly and inconsistent punishments for these road rage incidents. As it involved Lewis opinions will always be split but It's inevitable Maldonado will hit another driver. Outside the cockpit, he seems a likeable guy and i do like his competitive spirit but it is blatantly obvious he has a serious issue with self control.
 
riskitall
Yes Vettel was massively fast, but what went wrong with the engine...was it the alternator, or pushing too hard. would RBR or Renault want the world to know, will we ever know?
IMO..... RBR 'push the boat out' ...big time, they run a tight ship, I am full of admiration for the underdogs who took on the big boys & succeeded in beating them
But surely McLaren should be taking a leaf out of their book. Vettel does not hang back at the start as LH appears to have been advised to do. And as for anyone thinking LH should be bullied off his racing line...is this the way to go...not IMO.
It's not a witch hunt that is needed for Maldonado...maybe a petition to the FIA, or because on this occasion it was LH, & as such is not a violation of the rules?
 
Let's get the Maldonado/Hamilton incident out of the way first...
Lewis could've ceded the place - but with less than 2 laps to go on a circuit where it is possible to defend?? I don't think anyone would've given up a podium that easily & remember true racing drivers show respect to the others when overtaking & bide their time when it's 'going to happen anyway'.
it's possible that Lewis's tyres were so shot he didn't have much option about where he placed the car so the onus is on the driver with the better rubber & presumably better control.
I sincerely hope Pastor had the 'red mist' otherwise he deliberately & maliciously drove into another driver (in my personal opinion) which is downright dangerous. I don't like his habit of non-accidentally driving into other drivers (was it Perez at Monaco?)
The 20 second penalty is for "failing to rejoin the track in a safe manner" not for punting another car into the barriers :o
Were the stewards watching the same race as us??! Compared to penalties for similar incidents that's very lenient.

Much as I was gutted at the untimely exit of Hamilton & furious at Maldonado at his total disregard, yet again, for the other cars on track I also spared a thought for the Williams team who lost a big handful of points (11 or 14) which they can ill afford with the midfield so tight this year. Pastor's reckless behaviour may have cost them a place come the end of the season & the money that goes with it.

Rant over...positive bits now
Congratulations to Alonso who drove superbly to a great win, I loved the stopping on track & if one of the brits manages it next time out (please??!!!) I hope they allow the same thing to happen. Really good to see the crowd appreciated.
It was nice to see Kimi & Michael on the podium at last, I'm thoroughly enjoying the mixed up nature of this year.
It bodes well for an exciting race at Silverstone, fingers crossed for fine weather and not getting drenched like we did last year...
 
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