Grand Prix 2020 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

So it my job, to try & breathe positivity into the next grand prix. usually my favourite race of the season because whereas last time out Spa is the best location. the passion & emotion of Monza usually is a nice reminder of why i got into the sport. as for the 1st time since 2010 we got to see 1 of the great sights in motorsport with a ferrari victory at monza 12 months ago. not that we will get that this year, much to mattia binotto relief. but not much beats italian national anthem at monza with a packed start straight

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Despite it being the 2nd scheduled race of the calendar & the 7th race of expected 17. makes this a very unusual italian gp in a very unusual year as it has never been this early in the calendar, for most of F1 history it would be known for being penultimate race or finale of the season, previous earliest it had been was in 2015. another fascinating part is that with the upcoming trips to Monza Mugello & Imola, F1 will be racing in the same country 3 times for the 1st time since 1982 when they raced in american 3 times at Long Beach, Detroit & Caesars palace. but weirdly not 1 of them was called the USA GP as that was on an eventual 8 year hiatus. but thats F1 for you

we all know about the 2 layouts that monza had, but in 1960 & 1961 they combined both for 10km blast which i anticipate wouldve been an interesting car setup problem to try to make the car fast on both oval & the GP circuit. but 1 driver Phil hill seemingly mastered it because he won in 1960 & then won again in 1961 sealing the F1 championship but winning the F1 title should be 1 of the happiest days of sportsman life. but it would not be happy memory but quite a sorrowful time, so the story begins on the controversial 10km layout used in 1960 & 61. the British teams & their drivers refused to enter the 1960 Italian GP because they considered the banked track too dangerous. issuing an ultimatum saying they would not enter unless the race was exclusively held on the road circuit. it fell upon deaf ears & 1960 event went fine, everyone came home safe but 12 months later dejavu the same concerns were raised, this time the owners reduced the race distance from 500km to 430km. but on lap 1 at the parabolica, tragedy struck as the polesitter & Phil Hill's teammate Wolfgang Von Trips collided with Jim Clark. shot up the grass bank which flung him out of his car killing him instantly & tragically killing 11 spectators. after that unsuprisingly the 10km layout was banned. it was tragic end because after this race Phil Hill instead of celebrating becoming world champion was mourning the loss of his teammate off & on for 3 years. he would never win another race or ever finish in top 10 at monza again

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but on this year its going to be interesting return to Monza for Sebastian Vettel. because it be his last Italian gp for Ferrari but the question still remains will it be his last, period. as starting to feel like the racing point pendulum is moving towards sticking instead of twisting. but monza was the start of the vettel story. when he took that great win in rain of monza. which for me was the last great underdog story in F1. but last 2 years havent been kind to him. the 2018 title race unraveled here. when Ferrari had locked out the front row. for me they were huge title favourites & with favourable races upcoming, 1 hand on a 1st drivers titles for 11 years. but instead of playing long game over 53 laps. he made an ambitious move on Hamilton at Roggia chicane he spun to back of the field & 2 weeks hamilton put it 1 an inch perfect qualifying lap at singapore, ferrari never recovered. hamilton went on to win the world title with ease. Then 2019 in hindsight was the end of the road at ferrari for him. you could tell by the team celebrations & love from tifosi that leclerc was getting. that Vettel could've gone on a early flight home. very few would have realised he was absent for a long while. because the torch had been passed at that point

finally im interested to see if the qualifying farce of 2019 will carry on to 2020, when drivers were so focused on getting a slipstream that they forgot the concept of time & ran out of time to do a flying lap in Q3, many embarrassing amateurish moments to pick but Riccardo deliberately outbraking himself into the chicane so people would overtake him only for crawl to end of slip road still at the front of the queue was my pick of laughable moments. in potentially biggest farce to hit F1 since indy 2005

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It is incredible how tight F1 is nowadays....

  • Latifi was 2.417 seconds slower than the fastest Mercedes, and was last.
  • In 1993, in qualifying, a time 2.5 seconds slower than pole would have placed the Williams in 7th!
 
also the rate of progression in F1 always surprises me that Russell lap time 12 months ago in 1 of the worst Williams driven wouldve had him 2 tenths of the front row in 2016 & bottas FP1 is 4 tenths quicker than 2016 pole lap

but i know its practise but for vettels sake you hope he's hold something back. because being on softer coimpound (mediums) than nissany (hards) & slower than 3 tenths. 4 tenths of them in the final sector is a very bad omen
 
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But being that close from front to back has made no difference to the quality of the racing..

In 1993 Erik Comas qualified 20th,4 seconds from pole and finished 6th. In fact the top sixes qualification positions were:

1st) 2
2nd) 3
3rd) 9
4th) 15
5th) 10
6th) 20

Compare that to Spa last weekend which was: 1,2,3,4,6,5.
 
F1Brits_90 - there was a very good observation made on Sky this morning...

The Ferrari was designed with the assumption that it would have a very powerful engine, so it was designed to have a somewhat higher level of inherent downforce (which comes with a little more drag).

However, then their engines were pegged back, and so they have a car with good downforce, but no power, so can't beat the drag!
 
But being that close from front to back has made no difference to the quality of the racing..

In 1993 Erik Comas qualified 20th,4 seconds from pole and finished 6th. In fact the top sixes qualification positions were:

1st) 2
2nd) 3
3rd) 9
4th) 15
5th) 10
6th) 20

Compare that to Spa last weekend which was: 1,2,3,4,6,5.

The reliability of the cars today is so much better, that rarely does a car that qualifies say for instance where Williams qualify, do they get a chance to score any points.
 
I thought Renault were going to be quick at Monza - Spa form suggested it, so this practice form puzzles me. Not that I'm a fan - serves Ricciardo right if he never gets on a podium ever again - but any mix-up of the form book would be welcome at the moment. Maybe AlphaTauri can provide it.

Agree completely Johnny Carwash - the increase in reliability started the moment that the engine needed to last the entire weekend...
I wish that were true, but it was before that - the big bucks manufacturer era from 2000-08. I'm sure the current rules don't help, mind you.
 
It is incredible how tight F1 is nowadays....

  • Latifi was 2.417 seconds slower than the fastest Mercedes, and was last.
  • In 1993, in qualifying, a time 2.5 seconds slower than pole would have placed the Williams in 7th!
I remember Deletraz use to be 10 seconds slower at least back in the mid 90's before they introduced the 107% rule
 
Johnny Carwash for me majority of F1 issues that have come to head. B teams, paydrivers being a necessity not a bonus, lack of young drivers, the lack of testing to catch up, the rationing of engine parts, privateers / underdogs going bust. all the things wrong with F1. that made 90s races not better but more unpredictable & led us to this moment

all boils down to restrain the big teams trying to kill the sport with escalating budgets that spiralled out of control in the last 15 years. so all unpredictable natures have had to be outlawed. you don't get things going back because they have to be bombproof due to the regulations

the titles williams won in 96 & 97. then McLaren in 98 cost them under £50m a season. but then 2016 season at £160m cost more than them 3 seasons together
 
Part of the reason why drivers have good finishing records is they are never penalised for putting a wheel on the grass or the kerb with today's run off areas. I use to love it when they got it wrong they would be buried in the gravel for their mistake. Now its if you cut the corner hand over the place or get a time penalty for illegally blocking

The Italian Media must be writing in blood this weekend getting ready to savage Ferrari especially when they see Vettel is that slow
 
The end of that Q1 session was an absolute joke...

It was all caused by the mercedes slowing right down just before the Parabolica, then causing a huge tailback...

The teams need to stop messing about, and just get on with it!
 
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we all assumed they wouldnt be so stupid 12 months later. we were wrong. its beyond embarrassing. any advantage they got from the tow they lost double at 1st chicane. its looking like a matter of time before someone goes over the rear wing. if ocon doesn't get a 3 place penalty ill be stunned

i said last week the only guy in F3 who didnt get a tow at spa. got pole & the win
 
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we all assumed they wouldnt be so stupid 12 months later. we were wrong. its beyond embarrassing. any advantage they got from the tow they lost double at 1st chicane. its looking like a matter of time before someone goes over the rear wing. if ocon doesn't get a 3 place penalty ill be stunned

i said last week the only guy in F3 who didnt get a tow at spa. got pole & the win
I'd agree about the potential penalty for Ocon - but what was he supposed to do - he was in the lead of a queue of cars - should he have jumped out of the way to ruin his fast lap?

I still think that the Mercedes was backing the cars up too much (don't know whether it was Bottas or Hamilton - think it was probably Bottas) - which caused the massive concertina effect...
 
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