Grand Prix 2013 Singapore Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

So break out your long haul baggage boys we're back on the fly aways and we're off to Singapore.

A lot has been said about Singapore but one thing that can't be argued about is how jaw droppingly spectacular Formula One's premium night race is at on the Marina Bay Street Circuit. We all know that the idea of the night race was a concept Bernie pushed for European viewing figures but wow how amazing does it look? The lit up city of Singapore is the perfect background and its success is shown in the fact that both Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are trying to move in on the turf. I've always loved Singapore For me it is the showpiece of the fly aways, the Asian Monaco.
I know some people will agree with a cynical grunt about it being the Asian Monaco as its viewed as a dull track with very few overtaking spots and while it is true that overtakes can only be done with a great amount of skill for me Singapore is a drivers circuit and we've had our fair share of action if we look back.

The place certainly has character and history for a race that's only been running in its modern format since 2008. The very first race in 2008 was of course THAT race with THAT Piquet crash. Something that has meant the corner in question shall always been known as Piquet corner if only unofficially. But lets not forget we had some other memorable moments at that race. Who can forget the site of the (slightly tubby) Ferrari pit crew rushing down the pitlane after Massa pulled away with the fuel hose still attached leaving his championship on tatters. Alonso is still listed as the official winner of that race but very few of us agree he was. The majority of people will refer to that race as Nico Rosberg's first win which I completely disagree with. Rosberg got just as much an advantage from the Piquet crash as Alonso. If it was deemed cheating the result should have been declared from the running order the lap previous to the Piquet crash which would have made Massa the first official winner - it would also have given him half points and the 2008 world title. 2009 was all about Lewis Hamilton although most people will remember it for Rosberg's top notch performance spoiled by crossing the pitlane exit line and getting a penalty. 2010 was Alonso vs Vettel with Fernando sitting just in front of Seb for the whole 60 laps after a tasty defence off the start line. We also saw a still much debated coming together between Webber and Hamilton off a safety car re-start. 2011 was the season of Vettel dominance and Singapore was not much different and I'm still not sure whether Button was really pushing him that day or he was just taking it easy. 2011 had more to discuss with yet another Hamilton/Massa coming together. Which brings us to last year which had all the right elements for a classic with Hamilton on pole, Maldonado second and Vettel in third but when Maldo got a poor start and Lewis's gearbox went on lap 23 no one could really live with Vettel who is a master round here at the best of times. 2012 did see one first though. Michael Schumacher crashed in to the back of Jean-Eric Vergne and actually got out of the car an apologised to JEV because the accident was his fault! No wonder he chose to retire.

So race number 6 is about to come up with some slight changes to the track lay out as the Singapore Sling at turn 10 has been reconfigured so drivers have to negotiate a flowing left hander and whilst, after the last two races, expectations are low but I have a feeling Singapore is going to throw us up and event. It is true that Sebastian Vettel is king of Singapore but Alonso has always been hot round here and on occasions Hamilton has looked unbeatable but has had some very bad luck. Other than China this is probably Rosbergs best track and Button has always ran well here so we do have the right ingredients for a close fight and some wheel to wheel racing which probably bring down the already high odds of a safety car. Someone who has never had a good day at Singapore is Kimi and if you throw in the fact Grosjean has always been average here (he replicated the Piquet crash in practice in 2009 much to the embarrassment of his team) and I wouldn't expect a good weekend for the team from Enstone. Di Resta got his best result ever round here but with Force India falling away I can't see him repeating it. Williams have always been good round here but this year they'll need a miracle. Toro Rosso might be worth a bet for a result though with the car looking good, Ricciardo on a high and Vergne being a bit of a street circuit demon. Although the best bet is Hulkenberg in the top 5 as he is flying at the moment.

So love it or hate it no one can argue that Singapore isn't unique and I'm sure as always with this place we'll have something to argue with each other about for weeks afterwards.
 
Watching that video you can see why the stewards gave both Alonso and Webber a reprimand, it was stupid stopping on the racing line like that, it isn't hard to imagine Webber being hit by Hamilton as he walked to the car.
 
Not sure what to write as I didn't see the whole race. Do I feel devastated? No, I don't even feel vaguely disappointed at missing it. More happy I spent those two horus doing more interesting things yesteday which is something I thought I'd never feel about F1.
Even the presenters on breakfast TV this morning were commenting how predictable it's getting.
Somewhere in the background there's a death bell tolling for F1 as we knew it.
The only spark of character in the highlights I caught was the Webber lift, reminiscent of "good old days" & a little spark of humanity.
Not sure about the penalty, at first I thought surely not. After seeing the video I can see why the stewards imposed it but F1 seems to be getting more bland and uninteresting.
Well done Seb, very well done Kimi & Fernando but not exactly a classic was it??
 
Do I feel devastated? No, I don't even feel vaguely disappointed at missing it. More happy I spent those two horus doing more interesting things yesteday which is something I thought I'd never feel about F1.
Same here unfortunately. I used to love Formula 1 but its dwindling to a passing interest.

Rush was a real breath of fresh air.
 
2014 can't come quick enough, and that is doubly sad, because a) I'm wishing my life away by saying that, and b) because I can't work up any enthusiasm for appreciating the undoubtably fine job that Red Bull & Vettel are doing. I just find the numbing inevitability of watching him win immensely dissatisfying somehow.

Perhaps, instead of booing him on the podium, the crowd should greet him with mute indifference? :tumbleweed:
 
But will 2014 be any different? Perhaps we're all so downbeat because Singapore is notoriously bad for overtaking so shows up Seb's take it and run style more than usual.
I was vey surprised the Mercs were as far down the pecking order as they were, I thought they were supposed to be good on high downforce circuits this year??
I'll be intruiged to see if Hamilton improves next year in a car more designed around him than the one he's driving now & gives Seb a run.
My hopes for Fernando & Kimi to challenge seem to have evaporated over the weekend.
 
I've just watched a clip of Vettel getting boo'd on the BBC website taken from yesterdays podium ceremony. What struck me most though was Martin Brundle's awkward use of the English language.

"Don't do that, that is not correct"

Now, I've spent a good deal of time in Singapore and now that the people there speak better English than I do so would have understood every word he said.

I wonder what he thought was wrong with "that's wrong" or "that's unkind" or any thing that would have sounded better than "is not correct".

I sound as pedantic as gethinceri here but blimey it sounded wrong.

Oh, and given that Singers is just a hop, skip and jump from Australia, I wonder where the booing came from?
 
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It's a shame that Webber will be moved down the grid for hitching a ride, but this was always the nightmare scenario when it came to the "Reprimand" system. Mark received his 2nd "Reprimand" in Canada under somewhat questionable circumstances by not slowing enough for yellow flags in FP1, which is equally as responsible for his predicament in Korea. Which is to say that not all "Reprimands" are created equally. So while Singapore deserved a slap on the wrist, it doesn't deserve a harsh 10 spot penalty. And the real reason is that the stewards felt compelled earlier in the year to deliver a rather arbitrary "Reprimand". When it rains, it pours, Mark.
 
Rules are rules especially when safety is concerned. Whether Alonso knew about the potential penalty beforehand is a whole other argument!
 
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