Grand Prix 2012 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

After just 7 days the F1 circus rolls on to Hungary after an entertaining Grand Prix in Germany where Fernando Alonso won his third grand prix of the season to extend his lead at the top of the championship over the Red Bull duo.

From being a midfield clogger in Melbourne, Fernando Alonso finds himself in one of if not the quickest cars following a stunning turn around from the Italian team in the European season and now he has a considerable lead at the top of the standings. Despite a 20 second penalty for Sebastian Vettel, he still lies comfortably in third place in the standings and just behind team mate Mark Webber. It's nearly the halfway point in the championship and not many people would have predicted Webber to be above Vettel in the standings or maybe that Kimi Raikkonen would be ahead of Lewis Hamilton who was the only retirement in Germany after picking up an early puncture.

McLaren made the biggest gain in Germany as they rediscovered the form they had at the start of the season and if Saturday had been dry and Hamilton not have a puncture they could well have had 2 drivers on the podium or at the least one of their drivers at the top of the podium. Not so long ago I wrote a thread on their mid season development problems but they seem to have responded in the best possible way as Jenson Button finished third (later second after Vettel's penalty). Hamilton showed that despite problems after the puncture he had pace after matching the leaders pace and unlapping himself on Vettel and keeping up with Alonso before the stops, this didn't go down well with Vettel who was critical of this in the post race interview.

Sauber enjoyed an extremely fruitful weekend with Kobayashi finishing 4th and Perez finishing 6th and I think that's Kobayashi's best finish in F1 to date and it means that both Sauber drivers are now in the top 10 of the Championship which is a great result for the team and hopefully they can build on that. The interesting thing to note is the form (or lack of) of Torro Rosso, last season they scored 41 points with Alguersuari scoring 25 with Buemi scoring 15. Right now they have scored just the 6 points. While the loss of form surely can't completely be down to the drivers, but I wonder if they are regretting booting both out over the winter. While they argue that they are there to blood in young drivers, are they doing it at a cost to themselves? Last season they finished ahead of Williams in the constructors and just behind Sauber. Right now they are 41 points behind Williams and 74 behind Sauber, that's a pretty big turnaround. Either way, surely questions need to be asked there about what's going on as today both drivers were nowhere near the points and of the 'established' teams they only finished ahead of Senna, another driver who is under threat for his seat.

Looking ahead to Hungary it's a track which traditionally was one of the more duller tracks on the calendar but in recent years and mainly since the tightening of turn 1 it has produced some classic races and has also had the occasional sprinkling of rain such as in 2006 and 2011 where Jenson Button persevered to win both races. It's a track that has been good to both McLaren drivers with both Button and Hamilton winning there twice in previous years and after the updates working in Germany they will hope that one of them can make it 3 wins next weekend.

Galahad's track report - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/hungaroring/
 
The big question for me is where will Red Bull be in a few days. I have no idea what's going on at Red Bull but it's very odd to say the least. At Bahrain Vettel was totally dominant then in the next two GP's, Spain and Monaco he didn't feel he had the pace to even bother setting a Q3 time. At Valencia he was consistently 1.5 seconds a lap quicker during the race, then at Silverstone, one GP later that huge advantage was gone. What the hells happening. Jamie Alguersuari alludes to it in his latest column on the BBC and he's 100% right. An F1 team doesn't suddenly gain 1.5 seconds and then just as suddenly lose it again in the space of two GP's. A couple of tenths, maybe three at the most, but 1.5 seconds!!!!!! I can't begin to figure that out and it appears many others are wondering also.
 
Maybe because he hasn't been in the lead from the start, add to the fact we haven't had conditions like Valencia recently, plus several others have brought massive upgrades themselves.
 
We don't want to see mr cheaty.webp again do we...
 
Maybe because he hasn't been in the lead from the start, add to the fact we haven't had conditions like Valencia recently, plus several others have brought massive upgrades themselves.
I'm sorry Slyboogy, I don't agree at all. A few tenths gained or lost is considered huge in the sport now and has been for a few seasons. One and a half seconds is unheard of unless of course your Red Bull.
 
I expect us to see McLaren getting a 1-2 lock out and then taking a 1-2 in the race. You heard it here first.

They have been quick in quali all year, even with a bad race car, but at Germany they were very quick in the race and I believe they'd of had a 1-2 if it wasn't for the rain. Hungary is difficult to overtake and no rain is forecast.

Although last year were they not 1-2 and at the 2nd pit stops they put option on Lewis that meant he had to pit again and essentially screwed up his race - you never know with McLaren.
 
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