Grand Prix 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Anyone fancy a protest?

Controversially it was announced that the Bahrain Grand Prix would go ahead despite opposition from almost everyone and the events that were happening in Bahrain both last year and again recently haven't seen the postponement of the 2012 race like the 2011 event. Reaction to the news has been mixed but it seems that the decision is final and there will once again be F1 cars in the Gulf state. The last race was held at the start of the 2010 season and by all accounts was the dullest race of the season with durable tyres and little overtaking with the only action at the front being a problem with Sebastian Vettel dropping him from first to fourth giving Fernando Alonso a win on his Ferrari debut with Felipe Massa finishing second, how that must feel a long time ago now for both the drivers and the team. Thankfully the painful extended modifications on the track have been abandoned for this year and the 'old' spec layout used from 2004-9 will be used which wasn't actually to bad and with DRS, KERS and the Pirelli tyres should provide for close racing and numerous overtakes.

Nico Rosberg will go into the Grand Prix weekend on the back of his best weekend in the sport. After taking his maiden pole by a margin on Saturday he successfully converted this into a maiden victory by winning by over 20 seconds from the Mclaren pair of Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton. The Mclarens battled various traffic issues and pit stop problems to claim the podium places in a titanic scrap where, at one point, only a handful of seconds seperated 2nd-10th. It is surprising that with so many cars in very close proximity for over half of the race that there was no crashes and barely any contact but there were cars flying about (in Webber's case literally) as cars hit the cliff with Kimi Raikkonnen being the primary case has he slipped from second to 14th as the tyres gave up on him and he even lost 8 places on one lap and that was without any spins or damage.

Over at Red Bull it is a complete contrast to 12 months ago as Sebastian Vettel struggles to get on the podium let alone win races while Mark Webber currently holds the upper hand in the team by leading 3-0 in qualifying and being higher in the drivers championship. This current superiority was emphasised late on in the Chinese Grand Prix when he drove around the outside of Vettel down at turn 14. Without the EBD the Red Bull has lost it's superiority over the rest of the field and this season is a true test of Vettel's racecraft and a true evaluation of where he stacks up as one of the great world champions and at the moment I would say he was a 6-7/10 as he has made some good overtaking moves and apart from a puncture in Malaysia has always moved forward on the grid from his starting position, but then that wasn't hard to do in China considering he started 11th on the grid, his lowest qualifying position since 2009 when Brawn were running riot.

The problems continue at Ferrari as Fernando Alonso fought the car to finish in 9th which could have been higher but for a combination of tyre of degradation and traffic at the wrong times that cost him time, but this is still a lot stronger than Massa in the sister Ferrari who continues to show that he shouldn't be a Ferrari driver after a mediocre race to 13th, he is showing almost no signs of improvement and he is rarely threatening the points these days let alone the podium and the championship challenging days of 2007 and 2008 must feel like a long time ago, if there isn't any improvement surely this will be his final year in a Ferrari seat.

So far 2012 has seen 3 different race winners in 3 races with Lewis Hamilton leading the championship from team mate Jenson Button despite Button winning the Australian Grand Prix which shows that Hamilton is getting back his consistency which won him the 2008 championship and shows that he has got over the demons of 2011 which is only a good thing for the championship fight with numerous people already showing that they are capable of fighting for the championship and today perhaps Rosberg threw his hat into the ring as a possible contender, it is certainly has the potential to be one of the closest championships in recent years and makes a change from the Red Bull dominated 2011 with Vettel steamrollering the field.

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apart from the first flying lap,hamiltons 9 lap run went better than jensons.he was quicker each time on the same laps compared to jenson who's tires seemed to degrade quicker.
 
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Could be different fuel levels. Their degredation / drop off was approx the same but Hamilton was consistently quicker by a fair margin of about 7 - 8 tenths. Maybe Button was on race start fuel and Hamilton 1st stint, but you never know. Hamilton has seemed about 5 tenths quicker than Button even on low fuel. Looks like JB has a few problems at the moment.
 
they both went out on softs for a 9 lap run,why would they be on different fuel levels?
also buttons first fllying lap was 1.40.9,hamiltons was 1.41.then after that lewis was quicker.plus his lap times didnt drop as quick as buttons.also when you look at their quickest laps,lewis is about .5 second quicker.add that to the fact button was complaining about lack of grip again like in china.......
 
they both went out on softs for a 9 lap run,why would they be on different fuel levels?

Because lots of teams do this. It happens all throughout practice sessions. Typically Massa runs a higher fuel level than Alonso throughout almost all the session because then they get even more information. Obviously if teams are evaluating new parts then they will put them on similar fuel levels. I am not saying anything is factual and you do not have concrete evidence to justify what you are saying either - im just saying it is a possibility. There would be about 8 tenths between a 1st and 2nd stint fuel load, so it could be the case.


also buttons first fllying lap was 1.40.9,hamiltons was 1.41.then after that lewis was quicker

That is true, but again that doesn't mean much, there are so many different reasons why that could be the case. Maybe Lewis purposefully went a little slower on that first lap or maybe he had traffic, etc, etc. All I am saying is there is no conclusive evidence to say whether they were on the same fuel or not. Only McLaren know that.

Button's times did look closer to Rosberg's, while Hamilton's were closer to the Red Bulls. Bare in mind Mercedes always generally run with 1st stint fuel, whereas Red Bull always generally run with 2nd stint fuel - Mark Hughes always refers to this in his Autosport Plus analysis.


plus his lap times didnt drop as quick as buttons

Hamilton did a 1.40.3 and was then up to around 1.41.6 towards the end of his stint. Button did a 1.40.9 and was into the low 1.42s at the end of his run. I'd say that degradation looks fairly similar. When the FIA publish the FP2 lap times we can have a look in more detail, but I was watching the live timing sector by sector during the session and that is my opinion.
 
Does Hamilton dial a car in faster than the other top drivers, cos since 2010 I have noticed in the vast majority of practice sessions he sets less laps than the other top drivers including his teammate?
 
If Lewis was 0.3 seconds a lap quicker then I'd be impressed. 0.8 seconds a lap quicker then we might as well forget the data. There was obviously some reason or other for the gap - new/old tyres, fuel levels, running different parts - because Jenson is not almost a second a lap slower than Lewis. That would be ludicrous. Overall though, it is looking like Lewis has an edge again. Mercedes look quick too.
 
Does Hamilton dial a car in faster than the other top drivers, cos since 2010 I have noticed in the vast majority of practice sessions he sets less laps than the other top drivers including his teammate?

It always worries me that he does that. Especially considering car setup is where Jenson has a superior advantage. Lewis is obviously known for his natural driving ability, so in terms of getting familar with the track, perhaps Lewis does need less time out there.
 
button is not happy with the car,he said "at the moment he's definitely not a guy to watch out for"in a sky sports interview.
whereas lewis doesnt seem to be overly concerned with rosbergs pace.
i think what were seeing is the difference when jenson isnt completely comfortable with the car.
this is a big weakness of his,and quali.he was .5 slower in quali in china.i wont be suprised if its the same in bahrain quali.
 
I had heard a rumour, but it seems anonymous have taken down f1.com in protest over Bahrain.

More trouble than it is worth this grand prix. 90% of the stories this week are not going to be about sport. I do think it is stupid though for politicians and others outside Bahrain to be protesting it now. F1 is already there. They have already put staff of teams in danger. To leave now would be a bigger political message than not going.

That said, I do think it is bad that the Prince is being given air time.
 
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