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Poll Who do we think could be 2017 drivers world champion

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by F1Brits_90, Oct 12, 2016.

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Winner of 2017 World Championship

Poll closed Feb 12, 2017.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

    12
    31.6%
  2. Nico Rosberg

    4
    10.5%
  3. Daniel Riccardio

    12
    31.6%
  4. Max Verstappen

    8
    21.1%
  5. Sebastian Vettel

    0
    0.0%
  6. Kimi Raikkonen

    1
    2.6%
  7. Fernando Alonso

    0
    0.0%
  8. Stoffel Vandoorne

    0
    0.0%
  9. Other (Say Below)

    1
    2.6%
  1. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    My prediction at this point

    1) Hamilton
    2) Ricciardo
    3) Verstappen
    4) Vettel
    5) Bottas
    6) Alonso
    7) Raikkonen
     
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  3. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    It's an opportunity for Bottas to prove himself as more than just an 'also-ran'. Ideal scenario is that he is causing trouble for Hammy through seriously fast, aggressive and clean driving, to the point where he nicks a load of races on merit. I don't think that will happen more than a couple of times. He may bag a few more through circumstance, but Hammy's simply too fast and aggressive for him.

    The bookies have him coming 4th at 5/1 behind the Bulls. Hammy 5/4. Interestingly Max is rated quicker than Ricciardo at 10/3 and 4/1 respectively. Chuckle.
     
  4. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    I think Max is seriously fast, but I'm not sure he' s got the self discipline to hold it together, yet. But he'll get there, I don't think that will happen this season though.
     
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  5. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    vintly bookies do not rate anyone. They calculate the odds to ensure that they will win by the maximum amount, who that is they do not care about.
     
  6. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Bill Boddy That bookies don't care who wins is precisely why they are a useful reference. The fact that they add a margin to ensure they profit is also irrelevant when comparing drivers' odds. For example, if a generous bookie thinks Max is more likely to beat Ricciardo over the season, he might offer 10/1 for Max, and 9/1 for Ric. Or a very tight bookie may offer 7/4 and 6/4 respectively. The point is that the gap between the drivers' odds is marginal, regardless of how good the bet is for the punter. Hence bookie's odds represent an unbiased reference. Ok there are some small biases from country to country based on driver nationalities but even that flattens out on the bigger online betting sites.

    Sorry if I'm teaching you how to suck eggs! Maybe I've missed your point. What could be a clearer way of rating someone than providing odds?
     
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  7. Wombcat

    Wombcat Podium Finisher

    They amend their odds depending on how much money is bet on anyone. If a lot of people bet on Verstappen, his odds will change.
     
  8. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Sure, the odds drift with heavy betting, but it has to be a substantial amount of money for the odds to move more than a tad. And if one bookie is feeling particularly brave in any given situation, he might elect to offer longer odds on a near-favourite, to increase action, and his potential reward. Of course it increases risk too but that's the prerogative of each bookie.

    Bookies do rate drivers (Ok driver and car). With numbers, clear as day. Then odds can drift due to market forces. They calculate the odds to create as much action as possible, with a margin at every opportunity. This means offering as much value as they can whilst making money. Their initial rating is unbiased, generally based on a number of expert opinions, and generally turns out to be fairly accurate, given that they are still in business!
     
  9. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Based on this Fernando is the Champion - Here's how much each F1 driver will make in 2017 | FOX Sports
     
  10. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #bringbackmaldo Valued Member

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    Being the best paid driver does not a champion make. Whether anyone actually cares...?
     
  11. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Indeed not. Suggests that some think he is the best driver on the grid, or he has the best management team ;)
     
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  12. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Best management team.
    Or just been around a long time.
     
  13. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    How many management teams do you know that insist that their driver has a trackside deckchair stop. ?

    Definitely a very good management team.

    :D
     
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  14. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Personally I'd rather the management team that keeps a freezer of icecream in the garage.
     
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  15. Incubus

    Incubus Champion Elect

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    Actually I don't think either Alonso's or Raikkonen's management teams were consulted nor cared an awful lot whether they had dekchairs or ice-creams. :)
     
  16. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    As long as they get their 10%!
     
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  17. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Agents get 10%, managers get up to 50%.
     
  18. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Really?
     
  19. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    Only if the driver is retarded.

    So maybe Eddie Irvine manager?
     
  20. Incubus

    Incubus Champion Elect

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    Irvine can't be all that retarded. He always did quite handsomely for himself on the old £££ front.
     
  21. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Willi Weber was known as "Mr 20 per cent" from his time managing Michael Schumacher. In many fields, especially in pop music, managers frequently take 50% of the take before expenses have been paid. I would not expect that F1 drivers would agree to such punitive terms but would not be at all surprised if 20% were the norm.
     
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