To finish or not to finish? Why did they fail?
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14 DNFs for Vettel and 9 for Hamilton to date
What is Seb's DNF's split with BMW, Torro Rosso and RBR
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He crashed into more people than Lewis last year
It makes a big difference, and no disrespect to Torro Rosso, they are not the most reliable package around. Of the 6 RB retirements, a few of those were last season, Australia, Turkey and Korea?
So, Mr Speshal, how many down to mechanical failures and how many due to cocking up an overtake? Vettel got it wrong in Turkey and Belgium 2010 and Australia '09 (?), can't think of many others.
Seb should really have at least 1 more DNF, while Lewis should have 2 more.
Vettel spun off at Malaysia 09 and the car stalled.
Hamilton crashed out at Italy 09 and had a rim failure at Spain 10.
Vettel spun off at Malaysia 09 and the car stalled.
Hamilton crashed out at Italy 09 and had a rim failure at Spain 10.
Hamilton has had 3 mechanical failures since enetering F1 with a brake failure at Abu Dhabi 2009, a rim failure at Spain 2010 and a gearbox failure at Hungary 2010.
Also, Vettel had a lot of mechanical failures in 2009, ones spring to mind, Valencia and Germany, may be a few others nicking around there.
Another thing, Vettel in the Toro Rosso in 2008 was in a car at the back of the field (start of the season) and didn't finish the first three races, so he was bound to get into a tangle back then, unlike Hamilton who has been at the reliable McLaren (ever since 2007).
Another thing, Vettel in the Toro Rosso in 2008 was in a car at the back of the field (start of the season) and didn't finish the first three races, so he was bound to get into a tangle back then, unlike Hamilton who has been at the reliable McLaren (ever since 2007).
Out of Alonso's 170 race starts he's had 30 retirements, how many have been mechanical I don't know.
Wikipedia say's 170 starts, with the one being Indy 2005 I presume, which other one did he not start?
Alonso's last two retirements have involved walls and water (Canada this year, Belgium last). There were 3 in 2009, of which one was a collision in Brazil which was not his fault. There was another crash at Canada amongst his 3 retirements in 2008. In 2007 there was only his wall-ouch at Fuji. There were two retirements in 2006 (both mechanical) and the two North American rounds in 2005.
9 of his retirements came in the PS01 in 2001.
9 of his retirements came in the PS01 in 2001.
Spa 2010 was bad, I don't think he recovered from the lap 2 shunt from behind.
2008 was an unreliable car in the first part of the season, and 2009 was a hopeless car.
The 2005/2006 DNF's were much like that time, you can have a good car but mechanical problems were always a realistic possibility.
The most important point is that Alonso had 3 DNFs in 2 years. That explains his titles - especially against the car killer Raikkonen. Thats ignoring Indy, of course.
I was pretty much leaning towards that point, and good old DC has spoken of how you could not bank on finishing a race at that period, due to the fact that cars were not bulletproof like now, back then the least amount of DNF's won the title, nowdays, even Seb with a number of DNF's and poor finishes can win 7 races and the title. So it is a combination of reliability and a very talented drivers field.
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