Twenty Two

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
Every silly season thread has discussed which drivers deserve to be in F1. So, if the world changed and you chose which 22 drivers would be the F1 drivers, without practicalities considered.
To clarify, I will omit Jules Bianchi.

My 22 are:
  1. Alonso
  2. Hamilton
  3. Vettel
  4. Button
  5. Rosberg
  6. Ricciardo
  7. Bottas
  8. H├╝lkenburg
  9. Perez
  10. Vergne
  11. Grossman
  12. Raikkonen
  13. Kvyat
  14. Magnussen
  15. Palmer
  16. Nasr
  17. Vandoorne
  18. Sainz
  19. Gasly
  20. Lynn
  21. Stoneman
  22. Massa
 

Titch

Champion Elect
Premium Contributor
I don't know who some of those are, but I'm not sure that I would want Raikkonen, unless he was on the upper side of his black cloud, and Massa is a bit hit and miss these days.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
Premium Contributor
Sadly, these days I have so little time to watch TV the only motorsport I watch with any real interest is F1 and BTCC. I would have no idea who is waiting in the wings for an F1 seat.
 

sushifiesta

Champion Elect
Contributor
No Grosjean teabagyokel ? Or is Grossman a play on words that has gone over my head?

Maybe it's easier to say who I think doesn't deserve their place in F1: Massa, Maldonado, Gutierrez, Sutil and Chilton. And you can add Ericsson and Raikkonen if they don't improve next season. Vergne I think has been harshly treated but I wouldn't miss him either, so he's on the boundary too, and Kobayashi has probably had his day.

I have no idea who should replace them... Vandoorne, Sainz, Verstappen and Palmer are the only names I hear regularly. That leaves one more seat after the removal of my definite 5, so I will take Chilton's place and his money ;).
 
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P1

Podium Finisher
I personally don't understand why you need a grid of 22 cars. I think if you had 16 cars there would be better racing and fewer accidents. The teams at the back are a waste of space and nobody wants to see them. I always watch the races with a 30 minute delay so I can fast forward the back marker footage.
 

Mephistopheles

Banned
Contributor
The teams at the back are not a waste of space they serve a purpose and that purpose is or should be to give young talent a chance to show what they've got, drivers like Alonso came into F1 though this method with Minardi which was a great little team full of racing spirit and one who is sadly missed by me at least.

F1 isn't just about what is happening at the front of the grid you know...
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff Member
Premium Contributor
By that logic then, 4 time world champions Red Bull would be in trouble because they finished 7th in their first two seasons, McLaren finished second to last with 1 point in their first season, Williams failed to score a point in their first season and finished 9th in their second, Team Lotus finished second to last on 3 points in their debut season.

If you look at some of the drivers who started with those teams and were given the chance to race, for example Graham Hill and Alan Jones, where would they have been if they weren't given that opportunity?

One thing that I can see with the way talent is recruited in F1 these days, by the time a driver wins a second level championship such as GP2, it may be too late for him as most drivers seem to be head hunted from a young age these days and are either placed on driver development programs or, in the case of Max Verstappen, dropped into the team at a seriously young age.

This makes it even more difficult to second guess who would be in line for a drive.
 

P1

Podium Finisher
Let us not forget that Damon Hill started his F1 career in a woefully inadequate Brabhams that failed to qualify more often than not.

F1 is elite enough as it is without shafting the small teams who are at least giving it a go...
Don't agree. Giving it a go doesn't mean you deserve to be in F1. **** maybe I should show up at the Circuit of the Americas in my M5 or my F-Type and see how I fair in the grand prix. Why not!

Lower formulae play the role of developing talent. We don't need mobile chicanes on the F1 track for that purpose. Maybe if there were fewer F1 cars, people would actually bother to watch the lower formulae to see where the next talent is coming from.
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
Small teams sometimes become big teams, F1 shouldn't preclude anyone from trying if they have the budget, talent and motivation. Also, where would Fernando Alonso be if it weren't for the mobile chicane that was the Minardi entry?
 

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Contributor
Why not go the whole hog? Mercedes are clearly much faster than the rest of the pack, so get rid of the pack. After all, they only get in the way when the Mercs fail.
 

Andyoak

Race Winner
Actually, that's the solution... ban the Merc's for being back markers last year and we have a championship we can all enjoy this year!
 
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