Just like McLaren for last 3 years then?
Current Toro Rosso
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No RasputinLives I expect the Honda engine to have progressed by next season, but not enough to be real competition for Mercedes or Ferrari.
If I'm honest I don't think we'll notice too much difference at the front. Red Bull have shown they can build around an engine with lower power and still be just about competitive at most tracks. Whether they'll be less reliable or not is the question. The obvious answer is yes but let's face it they've not been bullet proof with the renault either.
The Honda engine might still be underpowered and a little unreliable but it appears there are circuits that the Toro Rosso turns up at and has genuine pace. Hungary and Bahrain being the primary ones so far.
Do we think that is all down to the chassis or does the Honda engine just suit some places? They are getting better performance than McLaren at these tracks with arguably a worse driver pairing. So is that due to Torro Rosso having a better car or a Honda improvement?
Do we think that is all down to the chassis or does the Honda engine just suit some places? They are getting better performance than McLaren at these tracks with arguably a worse driver pairing. So is that due to Torro Rosso having a better car or a Honda improvement?
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
At the 2017 Hungarian Grand Prix, the McLarens started 7th and 8th, and finished 6th and 10th
At the 2018 Hungarian Grand Prix, the Toro Rossos started 6th and 8th, and finished 6th and 11th.
McLaren have undoubtedly gone backwards this season, but this may have a lot to do with the compromises on the chassis to integrate the Renault engine. We will only get a real guide for whether it was the right move to dump Honda next year.
Yeah but Bharian 2017 the McLaren's started 15th and 17th and then came home with a 14th and a DNS. Whilst in Bharain 2018 Torro Rosso started 6th and 11th and came home with a 4th and a DNF. So clear progress.
My question wasn't really about McLaren though it was more about which element is it that is making the Torro Rosso competitive at selected circuits - is it the chassis or is the Honda engine coming to life in certain scenarios?
My question wasn't really about McLaren though it was more about which element is it that is making the Torro Rosso competitive at selected circuits - is it the chassis or is the Honda engine coming to life in certain scenarios?
Il_leone
Champion Elect
the Toro Rosso was good at Monaco, Bahrain and Hungary. Two of the three tracks were slow, low corner speed circuits so power is not important but chassis shows having much better grip and performance so you can argue that compared with Mclaren's performances
I can;t explain Bahrain at the moment
I can;t explain Bahrain at the moment
I bet Lando Norris wishes he'd took that Torro Rosso seat now.
The timing of this tweet from Red Bull about their junior programme can't really be a coincidence.
Red Bull Racing on Twitter
Maybe a reminder that Dan Ticktum is not far off getting a super licence and being eligible for promotion to F1.
Red Bull Racing on Twitter
Maybe a reminder that Dan Ticktum is not far off getting a super licence and being eligible for promotion to F1.
F1Brits_90
Race Winner
What happens next year because if gasly goes. Because hartley is likely going & ticktum is probally 2020 for superlicense reasonz. So could be 2 non redbull backed drivers at a red bull sister team
& i dont rate him highly enough yet. In last yr of GP2 he won in hindsight in an easier year. Also he was in his 3rd season & giovinanzzi was a rookie. If giovinanzzi hadnt give his teammate a 4 race headstart. He mightve been champ instead of losing by 8pts
& i dont rate him highly enough yet. In last yr of GP2 he won in hindsight in an easier year. Also he was in his 3rd season & giovinanzzi was a rookie. If giovinanzzi hadnt give his teammate a 4 race headstart. He mightve been champ instead of losing by 8pts
Il_leone
Champion Elect
Red Bull want to promote Dan Ticktum who was not allowed to test because he was banned for a year due to ... dangerous driving
Lando Norris might still replace Vandoorne at Spa according rumours so Vandoorne might go to Toro Rosso - 4 years later as part of the deal to get James Key to Mclaren
It will be interesting to see whose career Mclaren see as less important so to speak
Carlos Sainz will not go back to Toro Rosso - he does not want to and Red Bull are not gaining anything out if it but they seem to be worried about the intensive rivalry he and Verstappen will have
Gasly therefore has a chance getting promoted to Red Bull something I did not see
Lando Norris might still replace Vandoorne at Spa according rumours so Vandoorne might go to Toro Rosso - 4 years later as part of the deal to get James Key to Mclaren
It will be interesting to see whose career Mclaren see as less important so to speak
Carlos Sainz will not go back to Toro Rosso - he does not want to and Red Bull are not gaining anything out if it but they seem to be worried about the intensive rivalry he and Verstappen will have
Gasly therefore has a chance getting promoted to Red Bull something I did not see
Yeah Ticktum got a year ban from all Motorsport for overtaking 10 cars under SC conditions to get up to where a rival was (Ricky Collard) so he could drive in to him deliberately as pay back for being taken off earlier in the race.
If Ticktum wins F3 this year though he does get his superlicence.
If Ticktum wins F3 this year though he does get his superlicence.
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Il_leone
Champion Elect
RasputinLives THat is the only Red Bull junior who is being pushed because they seem to have burned them all out before their careers are fully developed
F1Brits_90
Race Winner
Interesting from ted kravitz on the notebook. that the new honda engine is fantastic they reportedly have a gain on 0.5 - 0.6 with this upgrade. it seems finally after 4 years of being too loud, over promising, raising expectations & under delivering. They gotten their acts together & realised instead of making ludicrous predictions. stay in the background & quietly improve
Is that horse power?
F1Brits_90
Race Winner
Yeah its a mclaren specialIs that horse power?
But no they think from FP1 & FP2 running/comparison. Its half a second a lap
Got to give credit to Toro Rosso at the moment. They accidentally seemed to have stumbled into a driver line up in Albon/Kvyat that are both pushing each other and the car on.