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Message: [QUOTE="teabagyokel, post: 248969, member: 26"] No driver has had to face what Grosjean faced in 2009. The two-time world champion in the other car, a team actually banned from his first race until the FIA realised the European Grand Prix was in Spain and not freaking Azerbaijan :facepalm:and with the huge issues of an undrivable car, little prospect of matching his team-mate and no chance of praise if he improved his predecessor's awful form. Best of all, he was managed by Mr. Subordinate Second Drivers, at least for a while, as the team got dragged through the courts, and then was effectively dissolved at the Singapore Grand Prix. Bloody hell, Perry McCarthy nearly got a better deal! In the last half of the 2013 season, Grosjean was the :3rd: winner, the only driver to beat a moving Red Bull in the last 5 races of the season. He showed a comparable speed to Raikkonen, to the point of starting to show the Finn a clean pair of heels. To be fair, Grosjean seemed to only lose to Raikkonen at any point at Lotus to the experience he had - not something that is helping him against the Oviedo Bull, I hasten to add. Grosjean doesn't deserve the Lotus he's got (although Maldonado bloody does). I said in another thread that I think Grosjean will Heidfeld his career away. By that, I am complimenting him, because I have a lot of respect for the unfairly maligned Quick Nick. Heidfeld was magnificent in 2007, he truly was, and he had the talent to get to the top. He was consistent, a great reader of a wet race, a demon in a nearly-champion car, and sometimes scalped a very highly rated team-mate. In essence, he was Jenson Button. I think Grosjean is of the same ilk as Heidfeld or Button. I don't believe he'll ever get that season he needs of having the best car and a pliant (or, arguably, poor) team-mate for a while, and I don't believe he's quite at the level of say, Alonso (but who is?). However, he's got Championship potential in the right circumstances. By the way, if you feel Grosjean is having a bad season, you are wrong. 8 points is an excellent return in that car - that is better than Daniil Kvyat actually! The Lotus in danger in Q1 is usually Maldonado. His [URL='http://cliptheapex.com/threads/2014-team-mate-prediction-game-thread.6756/']Team-Mate Prediction[/URL] score is only worse than Alonso and Ricciardo (and he's 100% more likely to be jumping out of the car by the conclusion). I have a lot of respect for Grosjean, because he really does grin and bear it. Not all of those first lap collisions in 2012 were his fault. [spoiler=More opinion]Maldonado in Melbourne was Maldonado driving like an absolute dick, and I am always very suspicious of the Mark Webber blame deflection school we saw in Suzuka that year. The race ban, in context of Maldonado intentionally driving plain into people, was ludicrous.[/spoiler] In F1, I don't expect that talent = great things (Amon to that) but I do think he has got that Second Tier driver talent that could, given the fair wind, lead to championship status. [/QUOTE]

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