Politics The EU Referendum / Brexit

Do you want the UK to remain in the EU?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 63.6%
  • No

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • Don't Know

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • Total voters
    22

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Premium Contributor
I just thought Kewee that you might be able to add something about the NZ attitude to their trading partners. Who are their main trading partners incidentally?
 

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Premium Contributor
So there you are. If we leave the EU we can certainly rely on both Oz and NZ to immediately move us to the top of their favoured trading partners list. Nigel says so.:no:
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
Will there be a "yes, no" option for those who can't make up their minds?
 

Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
Or even a don't know' for those who feel they need to vote but can't be arsed with finding out the differences?
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
Alex Salmond said this morning that a vote to leave in England and a vote to stay in Scotland was justification for another Scottish independence referendum. The SNP must be chuffed to bits with a majority Conservative government.
 

Brogan

🦶 Leg end
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That's something like the third different reason he has given since the election.

Anyone would think he is unhappy with the result of the first referendum.
 
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Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
Sorry, Mr Salmond but the vote is UK wide and Scotland is a very small percentage of the entire nation.
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
This may be something for the politics thread but with Conservative plans to throw away the European Human Rights act they will have to change the constitution of the Scottish Parliament and Northern Irish Assembly as the act is written in to their articles. Presumably this isn't relevant to the Welsh Assembly as the English don't think the Welsh deserve any human rights?
 

Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
Before the EU, the UK always had adequate laws to protect the individual - laws that had grown over several centuries and were implemented on a regular basis via the courts, or more recently, arbitration.

The problem with the Human Rights Act is that it gives instant precedence to an individual (as one would expect) but not always appropriately.

It is also an invasion of UK sovereignty which suggests that some Brussels' mandarin is more 'au fait' with our judicial system than we ourselves are - that in itself is a breach of Human Rights!
 
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Jen

Here be dragons.
Contributor
Now if that was a dog, I might argue on your behalf :)

HRA is a stupendous piece of ineptitude created by a committee and passed by a committee. It has all the relevance of a dictat that has come from a department in a district council but with more effect. Only deranged humans, with very little knowledge, could have thought it up.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
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And the UK doesn't have to abide by it's rullings. That's the bit that gets over looked.
 

Brogan

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It doesn't.

Leveson told an audience at the Hay festival that UK judges were not bound by the decisions of the European court of human rights (ECHR), and instead were only obliged to take the Strasbourg court’s rulings “into consideration”.
http://www.theguardian.com/law/european-court-of-human-rights

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/may/24/british-courts-echr-leveson

From the link you posted:
Lord Philips said that although the requirement to "take into account" the Strasbourg jurisprudence would "normally result" in the domestic court applying principles that are clearly established by the ECtHR. "There will, however, be rare occasions where the domestic court has concerns as to whether a decision of the Strasbourg court sufficiently appreciates or accommodates particular aspects of our domestic process. In such circumstances, it is open to the domestic court to decline to follow the Strasbourg decision, giving reasons for adopting this course".
 
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