Qualifying Statistics #6 - Monte Carlo


Firstly apologies for lateness. I have spent the last couple of weeks on a Caribean beach.
I was going to advise you of that, but my PC developed a problem a few days before leaving,
and I was unable to post. The problem was fixed while I was away, but I had some catching
up to do and various real life jobs to finish as well. I should be able to catch up over the
next day or two.


Average Starting Position 2009 - after Monte Carlo, Qualifying #6

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2009 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos ASP Pos ASP
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1. 2.17 [-0.23] J Button 16 14.72 14 13.94 3 7.78 4 5.9 3 5.5
2. 4.33 [-0.07] S Vettel 10 11.00 15 14.38 - - - - - -
[3] 4.33 [-0.27] R Barrichello 17 14.83 16 15.00 6 7.61 13 10.5 2 4.6
4. 6.67 [-0.13] N Rosberg 12 12.11 9 9.88 12 13.33 - - - -
5. [6] 7.50 [+0.30] F Alonso 6 6.89 2 3.18 1 4.28 1 4.0 7 7.6
6. [7] 7.83 [+0.03] M Webber 9 9.17 7 9.06 7 11.06 8 8.0 13 9.7
7. [9] 8.33 [-1.27] K Räikkönen =3 4.39 3 3.53 4 5.83 2 5.7 9 8.2
8. 8.67 [-0.73] F Massa 1 2.94 4 4.24 2 6.67 17 11.9 18 13.5
9. [5] 8.83 [+1.83] J Trulli 7 7.61 8 9.24 14 10.28 5 6.1 6 6.7
10[=10] 11.17 [+1.17] R Kubica 5 5.83 6 7.00 9 8.83 - - - -
11.[14] 11.50 [-0.30] S Nakajima 18 15.11 22 19.00 - - - - - -
12[=10] 11.67 [+1.67] T Glock 11 11.11 - - - - - - 22 16.5
13. 12.17 [+0.77] N Heidfeld 8 9.00 5 5.41 10 10.17 12 9.6 21 16.0
14.[15] 12.33 [-1.07] H Kovalainen =3 4.39 10 10.71 - - - - - -
15.[13] 12.83 [+1.23] L Hamilton 2 3.89 1 2.59 - - - - - -
16[=16] 14.17 [-0.63] S Buemi - - - - - - - - - -
17[=16] 14.33 [-0.47] N Piquet 14 13.50 - - - - - - - -
18. 16.33 [-0.47] S Bourdais 15 13.67 - - - - - - - -
19. 17.17 [-0.83] G Fisichella 19 18.33 11 10.82 3 5.61 3 5.7 17 12.3
20. 17.67 [-0.53] A Sutil 20 18.94 23 20.29 - - - - - -
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Average positions include all demotions such as engine/gearbox change penalties,
but not last-minute changes such as pitlane starts.


Average Team Starting Position 2009 - after Monte Carlo, Qualifying #6

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2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos ASP
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1. 3.25 [-0.25] Brawn 9. 14.78 8. 14.47 4. 7.75 4. 8.5 3. 6.8 *
2. 6.08 [-0.02] Red Bull 6. 11.00 6. 11.21 8. 14.65 7. 11.2 6. 11.7 *
3. 8.50 [-1.00] Ferrari 1. 3.67 2. 3.88 2. 6.06 6. 9.4 1. 4.2
4. 9.08 [-0.22] Williams 8. 13.58 7. 12.65 7. 12.19 5. 9.3 2. 6.4
5. 10.25 [+1.75] Toyota 4. 9.36 4. 10.79 5. 10.11 3. 7.5 7. 11.8
6. 10.67 [-0.03] Renault 5. 10.19 5. 10.82 1. 4.94 1. 4.8 4. 7.5
7. 11.67 [+0.97] BMW-Sauber 3. 7.42 3. 6.18 6. 10.81 8. 11.9 8. 12.9 *
8. 12.58 [+0.08] McLaren 2. 4.11 1. 2.88 3. 6.89 2. 6.6 5. 8.8
9. 15.25 [-0.55] T Rosso 7. 12.33 9. 16.21 9. 15.83 10. 17.5 10. 18.5 *
10. 17.42 [-0.68] F India 10. 18.61 11. 20.82 10. 18.06 9. 16.9 9. 16.4 *
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* Red Bull = Jaguar (2004), Brawn = Honda (06-08) / BAR (04-05), BMW-Sauber = Sauber
(04-05), Force India = Spyker (07) / Midland (06) / Jordan (04-05), Toro Rosso =
Minardi (04-05)


Team-mates Head-to-Head 2009 - after Monte Carlo, Qualifying #6

Team        Driver-1          Driver-2    Posn.
===============================================
Renault Alonso 6-0 Piquet +41
Williams Rosberg 6-0 Nakajima +29
Red Bull    Vettel       5-1  Webber       +21
Toyota Trulli 5-1 Glock +17
Brawn Button 5-1 Barrichello +13
Toro Rosso Buemi 5-1 Bourdais +13
BMW-Sauber  Kubica       4-2  Heidfeld      +6
McLaren Hamilton 4-2 Kovalainen -3
F India Fisichella 4-2 Sutil +3
Ferrari     Massa        3-3  Räikkönen     -2
Notes: "Posn." shows the advantage in qualifying positions to date. A
positive number shows the driver on the left has the advantage and a
negative number the driver on the right.


2009 Grid Penalties

Qual  Penalty (reason)
===========================================================================
01 AUS Timo Glock 6th pit lane start (rear wing flexing)
01 AUS Jarno Trulli 8th pit lane start (rear wing flexing)
01 AUS Lewis Hamilton 15th 5-place penalty (changed gearbox)
02 MAL  Sebastian Vettel  3rd  10-place penalty (caused accident in AUS)
02 MAL R Barrichello 4th 5-place penalty (changed gearbox)
03 CHN  Timo Glock       14th  5-place penalty (changed gearbox)
04 BRN  Adrian Sutil     16th  3-place penalty (blocked Webber)
06 MON  Lewis Hamilton   16th  5-place penalty (changed gearbox)

Appearances in Each Qualifying Session

Driver          Q-1  Q-2  Q-3
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J Button 6 6 6
R Barrichello 6 6 6
S Vettel 6 6 6
N Rosberg 6 6 6
F Alonso          6    6    5
K Räikkönen 6 5 5
J Trulli 6 5 5
M Webber 6 5 5
T Glock           6    5    4
F Massa 6 5 4
R Kubica          6    4    3
L Hamilton        6    5*   2   AUS (0 laps)
K Nakajima        6    6    1
H Kovalainen 6 5 1
S Buemi 6 3 1
N Heidfeld        6    5    0
N Piquet 6 3 0
S Bourdais 6 2 0
G Fisichella 6 1 0
A Sutil 6 1 0
* Set no time in one or more sessions.


Best Qualifying Performances (Current Drivers)

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Driver Best in 2009 Best in Best in Best in Best before 2006
Posn.(#) GP(s) 2008 (#) 2007 (#) 2006 (#) Posn. (#) First - Last
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J Button Pole (4) . . . 9th (1) 6th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) RSM 04 - CDN 05
S Vettel Pole (1) CHN Pole (1) 7th (1) --- ---
J Trulli Pole (1) BRN 2nd (1) 6th (1) 3rd (1) Pole (3) MON 04 - USA 05
R Barrichello  2nd  (1) AUS     9th  (1)  9th  (1)  3rd  (2)  Pole (13) BEL 94 - BRA 04
F Alonso 2nd (1) CHN 2nd (1) Pole (2) Pole (6) Pole (9) MAL 03 - CHN 05
T Glock 2nd (1) BRN 5th (1) --- --- 16th (2) CDN 04 - CHN 04
K Räikkönen 2nd (1) MON Pole (2) Pole (3) Pole (3) Pole (8) Eur 03 - TUR 05
M Webber 3rd (1) CHN 2nd (1) 5th (1) 2nd (1) 2nd (2) MAL 04 - ESP 05
R Kubica 4th (1) AUS Pole (1) 4th (1) 6th (1) ---
N Rosberg 4th (1) MAL 5th (2) 4th (1) 3rd (1) ---
F Massa 4th (1) ESP Pole (6) Pole (6) Pole (3) 4th (3) AUT 02 - BRA 04
L Hamilton 5th (1) BRN Pole (7) Pole (6) --- ---
H Kovalainen 7th (1) MON Pole (1) 6th (2) --- ---
N Heidfeld 9th (1) AUS 5th (4) 2nd (1) 3rd (1) Pole (1) Eur 05
S Buemi        10th (1) CHN     ---       ---       ---       ---
K Nakajima 10th (1) MON 10th (1) 19th (1) --- ---
N Piquet 12th (2) ESP/MON 7th (1) --- --- ---
G Fisichella 13th (1) MON 12th (1) 4th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) AUT 98 - AUS 05
S Bourdais 14th (1) MON 4th (1) --- --- ---
A Sutil 15th (1) MON 16th (1) 19th (3) --- ---
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Personal Bests set at Monte Carlo 2009

Posn. Career          In 2009
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Pole J Button (7) J Button (4)
2nd K Räikkönen
7th H Kovalainen
10th K Nakajima (2) K Nakajima
12th N Piquet (2)
13th G Fisichella
14th S Bourdais
15th A Sutil A Sutil

Most Pole Positions

1950-2002 (Top 25)                Since 2003 (Top 10)
========================= ========================
1 Ayrton Senna 65 1 Michael Schumacher 18 +
2 Michael Schumacher 50 + 2 Fernando Alonso 17
3 Jim Clark 33 3 Kimi Räikkönen 16
Alain Prost 33 4 Felipe Massa 15
5 Nigel Mansell 32 5 Lewis Hamilton 13
6 Juan Manuel Fangio 29 6 Rubens Barrichello 7 +
7 Mika Häkkinen 26 Jenson Button 7
8 Niki Lauda 24 8 Ralf Schumacher 5 +
Nelson Piquet 24 9 Jarno Trulli 4
10 Damon Hill 20 10 Juan Pablo Montoya 3 +
11 Mario Andretti 18
René Arnoux 18
13 Jackie Stewart 17
14 Stirling Moss 16 + also achieved poles in other era
15 Alberto Ascari 14
Ronnie Peterson 14
James Hunt 14
18 Graham Hill 13
Jack Brabham 13
Jacky Ickx 13
Jacques Villeneuve 13
21 David Coulthard 12
Gerhard Berger 12
24 Jochen Rindt 10
Juan Pablo Montoya 10 +
Since 2003 we have had:

* Single lap qualifying (2003-05, except for AUS-MON 2005)
* Two single-lap sessions aggregated (AUS-MON 2005 only)
* Knockout, 3-period, race fuel (from EUR 2005)


The Recent Record of Pole Position Holders at Monte Carlo

Year  Time      Driver        Chassis         Rslt   Winner         Grd
=======================================================================
2000 1'19.475 M Schumacher Ferrari F1-2000 DNF Coulthard 3rd
2001 1'17.430 D Coulthard McLaren MP4/16 5th M Schumacher 2nd
2002 1'16.676 JP Montoya Williams FW24 DNF Coulthard 2nd
----
2003 1'15.529 R Schumacher Williams FW25 4th Montoya 3rd
2004 1'13.985 J Trulli Renault R24 1st
2005 [2'30.323] K Räikkönen McLaren MP4/20 1st
2006 1'13.962 F Alonso Renault R26 1st
2007 1'15.726 F Alonso McLaren MP4/22 1st
2008 1'15.787 F Massa Ferrari F2008 3rd Hamilton 3rd
2009 1'14.902 J Button Brawn BGP 001 1st
---- Indicates changes in track length and/or layout.

Note: In 2005 the grid was decided using two-session aggregate qualifying.
Since 2006 it has been decided on a three-period knockout system.

There have been 55 Grands Prix at Monte Carlo,
22 have been won from pole position (last was Button in 2009),
13 from second position (Coulthard in 2002),
10 from third (Hamilton in 2008),
three from fourth (Beltoise in 1972),
four from fifth (Prost in 1985),
and three from lower positions (Rindt in 1970 [8th], Trintignant 1955 [9th],
and Panis in 1996 [14th]).

Average Starting Position of race winner = 2.564.
 

Brogan

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Brian_W_Lawrence said:
Firstly apologies for lateness. I have spent the last couple of weeks on a Caribean beach.
Alright for some :D

Interesting stat's on the average starting position of the race winner.
I never realised so many had been won from 3rd and below.

Would be interesting to see how those figures compare to other circuits.
If I get the time I might knock up a quick table/chart using your data.
 
OK, this is a list of the average starting/qualifying position of race winners for
each circuit. This list was produced almost exactly four years ago, so the
data from mid-2005 to date needs adding.

Venue            GPs   A.Q.P.
==========================
AVUS 1 1.000
Monsanto 1 1.000
Riverside 1 1.000
Sakhir 1 1.000
East London 3 1.333
Catalunya 14 1.357
Aintree 5 1.400
Mount Fuji 2 1.500
Bremgarten 5 1.800
A-1 Ring 7 1.857
Estoril 13 1.923

Ain Diab 1 2.000
Jerez 7 2.000
Le Mans 1 2.000
Pescara 1 2.000
Porto 2 2.000
Suzuka 17 2.000
Paul Ricard 14 2.143
Nurburgring (old) 22 2.227
Magny-Cours 13 2.231
Watkins Glen 20 2.300
Hungaroring 18 2.333
Imola 25 2.360
Silverstone 37 2.378
Las Vegas 2 2.500
Nivelles 2 2.500
Pedralbes 2 2.500
TI Aida 2 2.500
Rouen 5 2.600
Phoenix 3 2.667
Sepang 6 2.667
Monte Carlo 50 2.680
Zandvoort 30 2.700
Interlagos 22 2.714
Montreal 25 2.720
Adelaide 11 2.727
Mexico City 15 2.733
Clermont-Ferrand 4 2.750
Hockenheim 27 2.778
Jarama 9 2.778
Reims 11 2.909
Brands Hatch 14 2.929

Spa (new) 19 3.105
Zolder 10 3.300
Buenos Aires 20 3.350
Mosport 8 3.375
Monza 53 3.377
Melbourne 9 3.444
Indianapolis 4 3.500
Spa (old) 18 3.500
Österreichring 18 3.667
Jacarepagua 10 3.700

Dijon 6 4.000
Donnington 1 4.000
Long Beach 8 4.000
Nurburgring (new) 11 4.000
Ste Jovite 2 4.000
Anderstorp 6 4.167
Kyalami 20 4.250
Detroit 7 4.714

Montjuich 4 6.500

Indy 500 (oval) 11 7.000
Zeltweg 1 7.000

Dallas 1 8.000

Sebring 1 10.000
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718 2.919
 

Brogan

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Staff member
Great stuff, thanks.

Keeping data up to date can be an onerous task, I know.
Luckily we have all the data from 1950 to present date in the database so we should be able to write some new routines to show this sort of stuff.

We plan to overhaul the database in the coming months so I'll look at adding as much stat's stuff in as possible when we do.
 
These are the circuits used since I produced the last list, updated to include the
Turkish GP.

Catalunya      1.263  19
Fuji 2.500 2
Hockenheim 2.645 31
Hungaroring 2.783 23
Imola 2.296 27
Indianapolis 2.875 8
Interlagos 2.538 26
Istanbul 1.200 5
Magny-Cours 2.056 18
Melbourne 2.714 14
Monte Carlo 2.536 56
Montréal 2.833 30
Monza 3.190 58
Nürburgring 3.667 15
Sakhir 2.167 6
Sepang 2.091 11
Shanghai 2.000 6
Silverstone 2.429 42
Singapore 15.000 1
Spa (new) 3.174 23
Suzuka 2.850 20
Valencia 1.000 1
For completeness, there were three races where the winning car was shared by two
drivers. In the previous list I used the qualifying position of the car not the driver
who took the flag. These were at Buenos Aires, Reims & Aintree.
 
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