Current "pecking order"

downforce

Race Winner
9 of 20 races down.

What do you think the current "pecking order" is where car performance over a grand prix weekend is concerned.

People are still banging on about Alonso dragging performance out of a bad car which is more a case of "first impressions count" as that ferrari hasn't been a bad car for a good while now.

I think currently its something like this

Red-Bull
Ferrari
Lotus
Mercedes
Williams
McLaren
Sauber
Force-India
Torro-Rosso

Caterham
Marrusia

HRT
 

mjo

Procrastinating
Contributor
Red Bull
Ferrari
Lotus
Sauber
Mercedes
Mclaren
Williams
FI
Toro Rosso
Caterham (soon to overtake Toro Rosso)
Marussia
HRT
 

mjo

Procrastinating
Contributor
Indeed, and I think they can, given the close nature of the midfield - latch onto the back of it, and you have a great chance of scoring a point or two.
 

F1 Shift.net

Points Scorer
This looks like a tier system to me. Tier the teams, and ALSO rank the teams in each tier:

Tier 1) Red Bull, Ferrari
Tier 2) Lotus
Tier 3) McLaren, Mercedes, Force India, Sauber, Williams
Tier 4) Caterham, Toro Rosso
Tier 5) Marussia, HRT

Ferrari and Red Bull are A LOT closer than in performance than many people think. This "crap car" stuff ended after the Mugello test. Yes, Alonso has been their saving grace, but watching Massa get into the top 5 has to say something.

Lotus is far ahead of McLaren, enough said and could pop up to tier 1 soon.

Mercedes and McLaren are slipping, BUT Mercedes could overtake McLaren at anytime. Force India, Sauber and Williams may actually just has good of cars as Silver teams, but inexperienced drivers is hurting. Perez and Di Resta are the exception to that and I feel both drivers are VERY close to big rides and deservedly so.

Caterham has been an incredibly fun team to watch develope and I hope they continue to grow in performance. Toro Rosso has been a huge disappointment this season and one of the biggest problems they have is the "revolving door" theory they use with their drivers.

Marussia is slowly getting better and HRT is well....HRT
 

Josh

Champion Elect
1) Red Bull, Ferrari
2) Lotus
3) Mclaren, Mercedes, Sauber, Williams, Force India
4) Toro Rosso, Caterham
5) Marussia, HRT

In that order, imo. I can see Caterham overtaking TR within a couple of races though :)
 

racecub

Champion Elect
I think
Red Bull, Ferrari
Lotus
Mclaren Mercedes Williams Force India Sauber

If current trends continue I d expect Mclaren to drop down out of that group, they were below it at Silverstone but that may have been a one off. I think to get the true pace of the car look to the second driver. That Ferrari is fast , Massa is performing. Red Bull-both drivers performing. Lotus-both drivers performing. Mercdes-both drivers performing. Sauber-both drivers performing. Williams-both drivers erratic. McLaren-one driver not scoring any significant points for the the last 6or 7races, the other putting it on or near pole and in with a fighting chance most races. Its not Alonso that is currently dragging the last ounce out of that Ferrari, its Lewis with the McLaren, and even he could do nothing about it at Silverstone:disappointed:
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
judging by the last two races

Top tier
Red Bull, Ferrari, Lotus

Tier 2
Mercedes,Sauber,Williams,Force India, Mclaren

Tier 3

Toro Rosso, Caterham, Marussia, HRT

I aint joking
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
The patented Teabagyokel Industries F1 pecking order graph is here!:

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siffert_fan

Too old to watch the Asian races live.
Contributor
I would say that there are four groupings:

Red Bull and Ferrari

McLaren and Lotus

Mecredes and Williams

The spear carriers

And I don't see the gap between the first two groups as being more than miniscule
 

KekeTheKing

Banned
Supporter
Going forward the pecking order will be;

Red Bull
McLaren
Ferrari
Lotus
Mercedes
Williams
Sauber
Force India
Caterham
Toro Rosso
Marussia
HRT

I like the new McLaren sidepods :dunno:
 

Galahad

Not a Moderator
Valued Member
I'm only confident that it will be different in Hungary than it was in Germany, different in Belgium than it was in Hungary, and so on to Brazil.

As far as the championship goes, it'll be Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus, mumblemumble Caterham, Marussia and HRT.
 

HammydiRestarules

Di Resta fan :).
Contributor
I think this is the running order:

Class 1: Red Bull
Class 2: Ferrari and Mclaren
Class 3: Mercedes, Lotus and Sauber
Class 4: Williams and Force India
Class 5: Toro Rosso and Caterham
Class 6: HRT and Marussia

I think looking at it on reflection. I'd say that the Red Bull is the fastest package but isn't reliable enough. With Ferrari and Mclaren lagging behind as per usual but because both cars are more reliable than the Red Bull they've been able to collect just 1 less GP win than their Milton Keynes rivals. Mercedes, Lotus and Sauber are around the same sort of pace. Mercedes were possible in the Ferrari and Mclaren class at the start of the season but the pace has dropped off alarmingly. Lotus have the pace at some tracks but don't neccessarily use it to they advantage and when Qualifying comes they can't turn in too many decent 1 lap specials. Sauber are quick they's no question about it, infact they had the car to win in Malaysia but a stupid message to Perez cost them that all important first win. Despite showing glimses of pace Williams rarely threaten to get good results apart from the "lucky" win in Barcelona and a good showing in Valencia the team really haven't shown what the cars really about and probably wish they'd got rid of Maldonado and got a Kovalainen in instead. Force India have been very disappointing, after such a strong showing last year i was expecting them to be regularly challenging for podiums this season, but the car just isn't quick enough. Toro Rosso despite scoring points have been outshone by Caterham this season, Caterham look like they've closed the gap to them by a considerate amount. Toro Rosso have either gone backwards with the car or have made a grave mistake in changing the line-up from last season. Marussia are doing alright they close to Caterham but don't look like threatening them. HRT are just slowly starting to show signs that they might step forward.

But all in all I think Alonso will win the Drivers championship, why'll Vettel and Webber will take points of each other and Red Bull will win the constructors.
 

Andyoak

Race Winner
CLASS 1: Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren
CLASS 2: Lotus, Mercedes, Williams
CLASS 3: Sauber, Force India
CLASS 4: Toro Rosso, Caterham
CLASS 5: HRT, Marrussia

No surprises and pretty much reflects the WCC; which I would expect if we're talking about cars. BUT its also about teams and some teams are suffering with poorer strategy than others and poorer drivers than others.

I've no evidence but suspect that Lotus and McLaren are being flattered by their drivers.

Williams are following form (over many, many, years) of having a good car that appears worse than it is through poor strategy and poor drivers. I'm picking on Williams here because my memory is that they have never got their heads around strategy; especially in the pit-stop era... thankfully (as a fan), pit stop strategy is less important now. If only Maldonado could keep it on the road and out of opponents side-pods.

Sauber are interesting because they seem to be the only team trying to race with no pit-stops. I'll bet if there were no enforced tyre changes that is the way they'd go. All credit to them on that front because it shows a quick and robust car in pretty much all conditions.
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
I suspect Ferrari and McLaren are being flattered by their drivers - particularly their leading drivers. Vettel seems to have a version of Button syndrome. I suspect Williams are being inhibited by their drivers, and are probably as quick as Mercedes in a fair test, if not quicker. It's difficult to guess where Sauber are. They're poor in qualifying, but we never see them on a strategy where we can compare in a race situation.
 
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