Grand Prix 2016 Singapore Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Some people hate street circuits and some people love street circuits. I happen to be one of the people that love them. The extra skill required to navigate the walled and narrow circuit, along with the driver having to work for every pass, really appeals to me. Therefore believe it or not Singapore is always one of my favorite stops on the calendar. Bahrain and Abu Dhabi may have attempted to steel its thunder where the night race element is concerned but to me Singapore is the ideal setting for a race under the lights with the hustle and bustle of the city going on around it. The venue has given us some memorable moments and talking points over the years and I don't think this year will be much different. One of the things I love about Singapore is it tends to shake the field up and gives the driver a lot more input into whats happening.

From past races you'd probably have to say that Sebastian Vettel, Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso (lets forget 2008) are the best around here but Danny Ric and Jenson Button are hardly slouches either. Rosberg has had some good runs but not recently. One driver who has never look comfy round Singapore is Kimi Raikkonen, he has a tendency to hit something or someone. Its hard to tell whether Max Verstappen will be a factor or not having only been here once but his record shows that street circuits are not really his bag. I certainly think Red Bull are going to be a factor round here so will be interesting to see if Max can harness the speed he has into a good result His only race in Singapore had him refusing to move over for his team mate after strict team orders only to be praised by his team boss, who'd given the order in the first place, for disobeying it afterwards. So lets face it he probably thinks he can do whatever he likes round here.

Usually for a race win you don't see past the Mercs and certainly they'll be at the front. If Hamilton gets away in the lead he is going to be hard to beat but we saw a little blip in Monza so its possibly his recent top form may be dipping slightly. Ferrari desperately need a win and I think Vettel is probably thinking this is the best place to do it. The gap between them and Merc will have closed and if he can drive the place spot on he could beat the Mercs this time. His only problem is that the Red Bull's are thinking the exact same thing. Danny Ric is well overdue a win this season and is pretty hot round here. If both Mercedes get sluggish starts I wouldn't be 100% shocked to see a Ferrari/Red Bull battle for the win. Whilst I'm sure Toto Wolff will tell us its all about wins for Mercedes, clearly Rosberg and Hamilton have other things on their minds. Its squeaky bum time and if either of them are in front of their title rival and see Ferrari and Red Bull clearing off down the road I don't think they'll chase too hard. Even if their not I don't think they'll panic, pushing in Singapore can quite easily end up in a DNF which could turn a 2 point gap into a 20 point gap.

My dark horse for Singapore is Mclaren. As much as I enjoy the Fernando Alonso comedy hour on the team radio it would be nice to see him competing at the front again. I just hope he does it through speed and not through a 'special' strategy. Speaking of which is Pat Symond in charge of strategy over at Williams? Singapore was the place Felipe Massa really lost the 2008 title, I wonder if now he's retiring he'll have a chat with Pat about that. Jenson Button, the man who is bored with Formula 1, really has nothing to lose whatsoever this weekend and I think him and Fernando will have a nice little duel. I expect Mclaren to be the 4th best time this weekend and to probably keep pace with Kimi. I also expect Carlos Sainz to be right up there with them. Due to running the old Ferrari engine that Torro Rosso has gone more and more backwards as the season has gone on which is a really shame for Sainz who has been on top form. Singapore should level that out and I expect Carlos to take advantage of that with a strong showing. Its possible that the talented but totally dejected Kvyat could do the same but then its also possible that Kvyat won't be in the car at all and that Pierre Gasly will make his debut. Red Bull is as Red Bull does.

Love it or hate it Singapore always creates a bit of tension and whilst it probably won't be the most action filled race of the season I have a sneaky suspicion it will be one of the closest.
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Max got himself into a bit of a mess again on street circuits though. His overtaking is wonderful to watch but a poor start and eating tyres meant he was fighting with the wrong people. Speed and potential is there I just think he needs to learn to box a little bit more clever.

I don't think this had anything to do with Singapore being a street circuit. He essentially replicated the trouble he/his car has caused for him the last three races, producing a poor start which had him playing catch up in the field.

By saving his tyres instead of fighting Kvyat hard, he might have been able to stay in front of Vettel. However, Vettel started on softs giving him the tactical advantage for a catch up race.


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I don't think this had anything to do with Singapore being a street circuit.

I think the fact it was a street circuit was the reason he had to fight with Kvyat. Anywhere else he would have sailed past in the DRS zone. Vettel may have had different tyres but he was sly enough to follow Perez along because he wasn't holding him up too much, save his tyres and then gain his advantage afterwards. Both Verstappen and Kvyat were gaining on Alonso before they started scrapping. If Max had been patient he'd prob have got both.


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i quite liked sundays race, we bit of action down the grid with Lewis & kimi, kyvat & verstappen, mercedes were kept very honest. them final few laps were fantastic, i genuinely couldnt call it even going on to the final lap, because at 1 point i was thinking nah on lap 60, but then he was right on the back of him on final lap i argree with Toto wolff comments post race "It was so close, how it should be in F1. 4 really quick cars, different strategies and I must really take my hat off to Red Bull, they pulled off a great strategy at the end. Ricciardo, out of the box with amazing pace, really exciting at the end. Unbelievable. That's how F1 should be"


Podium Finisher
Since I cannot access the threads, can someone tell me how many overtakes each driver has made this season. I feel Rosberg has barely passed anybody on the track.

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Premium Contributor
It is easier to get a large number of overtakes from last on the grid as against first on the grid. It is also easier to overtak on new tyres than on tyres that have done 30 laps. The bare figures only give part of the story.


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What do they make the wheels out of these days?



Champion Elect
Actually that raises a bit of a debate within the FIA there... Red Bull on saturday night were denied the chance to replace the clutch because it had "no structural problem" to it, but isn't there a bit of a safety issue there? If you take to the start knowing you'll have a poor getaway you' re more at risk of being crashed into at the start, or causing startline crash? Should they have been allowed to replace it before the race on safety grounds?

Then again you could argue Red Bull always had the option of breaking parc ferme rules and incur a penalty, which they obviously chose not to do...
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Test Driver
Then again you could argue Red Bull always had the option of breaking parc ferme rules and incur a penalty, which they obviously chose not to do...

This. Red Bull said there was nothing visibly wrong with the clutch, so I understand the FIA's decision.

After that it's Red Bull's resposibility IMO.


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... or an even more macabre example: The Le Mans disaster in '55.

People didn't really understand magnesium fires in the 50's and 60's, and didn't realise how volative the mix of burning magnesium and water was. Attempting to extinguish magnesium fires with water hoses only turned fires into infernoes.
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Compare Hamilton's pace against Rosberg:
- on the first stint (both drivers was on the USu),
- on the second stint (both drivers was on the Sn) and
- on the third stint (both drivers was on the Sn)

On the first and second stints Hamilton's car was very slower.
But on the third Hamilton was driving very faster.

First stint
Rosberg: 1:51.511s
Hamilton: 1:52.385 (+0.894)

Second stint
Hamilton:1:51.881 (+0.582)

Third stint
Hamilton: 1:49.207
Rosberg: 1:50.863 (+0.871)

Bill Boddy

Professional layabout
Premium Contributor
Rosberg didn't have a third stint, he was on old tyres. It could be argued that he should have been at least a second a lap slower than Hamilton.
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