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Politics United Kingdom General Election of 2015

Discussion in 'Gravel Trap' started by Brogan, Oct 1, 2014.

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  1. Conservative

    9
    34.6%
  2. Labour

    7
    26.9%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    1
    3.8%
  4. UKIP

    1
    3.8%
  5. Green Party

    0
    0.0%
  6. Democratic Unionist Party

    0
    0.0%
  7. Scottish National Party

    2
    7.7%
  8. Plaid Cymru

    0
    0.0%
  9. Social Democratic and Labour Party

    0
    0.0%
  10. Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    0
    0.0%
  11. Respect Party

    0
    0.0%
  12. Other

    2
    7.7%
  13. Abstain

    4
    15.4%
  1. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    The provisional date for the next general election is 7 May 2015.
    Between now and then there's going to be a lot of shouting, hot air, claims and counter claims, promises which will never materialise, etc.
    This thread should hopefully keep it all in one place

    So far we have had these sound-bites/pledges/promises from:

    Labour
    • New mansion tax on homes worth £2 million or more
    • Will 'save' the NHS
    • Improved bus services
    • Will replace the House of Lords with an elected senate

    Conservative
    • Tax-free personal allowance raised from £10,500 to £12,500
    • Threshold for 40p income tax rate raised from £41,900 to £51,000
    • Will protect the NHS in England from spending cuts until 2020
    • Scrap the Human Rights Act and create a new 'bill of rights for the UK'
    • A vote on whether the UK will remain in the EU
    • English votes for English laws

    Liberal Democrats
    • Err...


    I'm sure there are others so let me know and I'll update the lists.

    Feel free to add to the debate and vote in the (private) poll.
     
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  3. mjo

    mjo Procrastinating Contributor

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    Well for me it will be the first time I can vote in a General Election so I suppose you could say I am a floating voter - I'll have to think very hard as to who I'll vote for. What is a shame though is the amount of hereditary voting ie in Liverpool, Inner London etc.
     
  4. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    Conversely, for the first time since I have been eligible, I won't be voting.

    The Conservatives lost my vote when they implemented the ridiculous child benefit reforms.
     
  5. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    You have failed to mention UKIP's plans to stop the wives of Russian Oligarchs claiming the tax back on their Louis Vitton hand bags. That's going to save the NHS on it's own.
     
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  6. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Now here's a strange thing, I'm a higher rate tax payer and thought the reforms to child benefit payments were sensible. What I would have hoped is that benefits were increased for those at the bottom of the tree but it was always going to go back in to the Treasury pot to pay for useful things such HS2 and keeping the Royal Opera house going.
     
  7. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    The child benefit reforms were dreadfully implemented.

    One parent working and earning £50K+ - no child benefit.
    Two parents working and earning £50K each, total £100K - full child benefit.

    Ridiculous.
     
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  8. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    I agree it was ham fisted. The problem is that our tax system doesn't ever consider joint income and as the benefits system is linked to the tax system so I'm not sure how this could have been done differently.
     
  9. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    I just hope its not another coalition forged from lies and broken promises.
    I think the tories will get back in because of one thing.... Milliband.
    Why why why do labour have him as party leader.
     
  10. The Pits

    The Pits Harumph. Again. Valued Member

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    Our tax system is inordinately and unnecessarily complex, which allows vast scope for headline changes which yield little for anyone.

    If one of the political parties put in their manifesto even 1% of the things that I believe need to happen to get the country back to where I believe it should be, I would vote for them, but generally all we get is high level soundbites with little substance, which boil down to the square root of sod all difference
     
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  11. KekeTheKing

    KekeTheKing Banned Supporter

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    Let me see if I've got this straight.

    One parent can earn as much as 62,980 USD annually, and still qualify for a subsidy of 1,342 USD if they've got one child, per year until age 16, for a total of 21,472 possibly?

    And I do see your point as well that a couple could be earning a combined 125,960 USD and still qualify for the same subsidy.

    So just a quick calculation shows that the government could well pay a household over 50,000 USD total for raising their 4 children.

    Digging deeper I see this is literally a British Institution and means testing is a recent development. I'm not passing judgement here, just trying to wrap my head around it. The US lets you fiddle with your Income Tax when you've got kids, but I can assure you that tens of millions of Americans would take the monthly check instead.

    And now the "freeze" talk makes more sense in this context.
     
  12. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Ah The Pits , but we had the looney Left in the 70's bringing everything in to public ownership and then allowed them to be run in to the ground. We had the righteous Right in the 80's and early 90's who sold everything the British people already owned back to them and told them they were getting a good deal. And since then we have had shades of blue.

    Would you really want the UK run by "commitment" politicians such as Dennis Skinner, Diane Abbott, Bill Cash or Jacob Rees Mogg? All caricatures of the extremes in their parties and, hopefully, never going to be allowed near a senior position.

    We have had shades of Blue since Thatcher departed the scene. The left and right nutters are still there in the parties but, fortunately, the parties realise that unless they keep them under wraps most ordinary voters wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. If they were given their head though we would see some differences in the manifesto's.
     
  13. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    Correct.

    The point about how it is implemented though is that a family with a single earner could be £1 over the threshold (£50,001) and get nothing, whereas a couple who are each on the threshold (£50,000 x 2 = £100,000) get the lot.
    So not only do the couple get an additional £49,999 in income per year (before tax), they also get the tens of thousands of £ of child benefit.

    Which is why it's such a nonsense implementation.
     
  14. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Everything in moderation Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    And that was after the threshold was raised to 50000. Initally it was supposed to be set at 42000 I think.

    FB, interesting comments from someone who is a self confessed labour voter. Are you saying that the party has to be a centerist, all things to all men style party, to get anywhere and that they will fail if they hold any traditional "socialist" values. I know times have changed but the principles that the Labour party were founded on should still form the heart of their policies surely?

    I can't imagine that any government now would advocate a policy of re-nationalising key British services (something by the way that I would vote for) as it's not nor ever will be a Tory policy and Labour haven't got the heart left in them to do it. I've posted in other threads before, key services such as Electricity, Water, Gas and Public transport should be run for and by the public. It has been proven time and time again that choice does not down costs. Private buisness is motivated by maximum profit for minimum cost of service. Well run state industries should be cost neutral or even in some cases return an excess to the exchequer. At the moment the Government is actually subsidising a lot of these industries for sod all in return.

    Ed Millibean is in charge because he had the support of the unions thanks to the way the Labour party leadership election system was devised. David Millibean would have been a more effective leader but only by following the "shades of blue" path that FB has described.

    The Conservatives have played a blinder in the opening engagement of what will be a 9 month election battle. Everyone likes lower taxes especially low earners. Millibean dropped the ball with his speach and in the personal stakes he has a lot of ground to make up. It's unusual to see an unpopular party v an unpopular leader. As we live in an era of personality politics it will be interesting to see what effect this has.
     
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  15. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    Well as Ed Milliband reminds me of a Wallace and Grommet character, and I think freezing benefits for hard working families , unfair. I'm a bit stumped at the moment. Although I suppose call me Dave addressed that last,with his lower taxes. However he could have fixed it better, by putting the minimum wage up. UKIP are a bit fundamental, the Lib Dems, are...., well the Lib Dems? The Greens, I might as well not vote at all, and so on.
    I shall have to think about this, for the first time ever, I'm not sure what to do. But I won't throw my vote away.
     
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  16. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    I agree on the renationalising of gas, water, electric and rail but no party is going to suggest that because of "how the markets would react" and the Conservatives would have a field day talking about the 70's. The other problem there is that the stranger end of the Labour party would like to take everything into public ownership which is simply ludicrous.

    If successive governments hadn't pissed billions down the drain and racked up huge debts then they wouldn't have to worry about how the markets would react but we are where we are. I take particular issue with Thatcher's "economic miracle" which wasted all the oils revenues and money from privatisations in buying the public vote with tax cuts. Now the money has run out and the government hasn't got anything left to flog off we have a serious problem.

    Thank heavens the Scots decided to stay part of the Union otherwise Cameroon wouldn't have been able to make his jam tomorrow speech as the exchequer would be in the shit without petro dollars.
     
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  17. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    If we want to talk about how PMs and governments pissed money away, I could be here all night talking about Gordon Brown...
     
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  18. Jen

    Jen Here be dragons. Contributor

    Just to register a purely personal interest, my state pension is £6680 a year.

    I have worked for more than the 'required' years but on a self-employed basis, so my pension has not attracted the 'employers premiums' and I have never actually earned enough to raise my children, pay the mortgage and save for a private pension, I wish. So any tax 'innovations' are purely speculative for me.

    As the 'majority' of new positions have been folks setting up their own business, I wonder if any mandarin has told them that this is not necessarily the best way to go! Yes, it makes you a living in the present but does sod all for your future. I wasn't even eligible for job seekers when I finally realised that my business was no more.

    I'll pick up on all the other points later!!
     
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  19. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Banned Contributor

    I'm abstaining because I couldn't give a shit who gets in...
     
  20. Jen

    Jen Here be dragons. Contributor

    One does wonder if it's worth the effort sometimes Mephistopheles.

    I'm not one for giving up though, so will wait and see who is offered up in my constituency, and will vote for the candidate who is most in tune with my views!
     
  21. Hamberg

    Hamberg FOTA VIP, I've got the avatar to prove it :) Contributor

    Can we have an undecided option?

    I'd vote Tory if it weren't for the EU referendum promise and Theresa May trying to undo the Magna Carta and send our legal system and human rights back to the dark ages.

    I've always said I'd probably be swayed towards Labour if David Milliband were leader, but the thought of the Simple Ed's running the show scares me.

    Lib Dem. Well Brogan said it all in the OP.

    I want Boris!
     

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