The Future Of F1

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by Greenlantern101, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. Izumi

    Izumi Rookie

    Actually Izumi said in Post #83:
    Is there a deadline when leave notice by a team has to be submitted? I think Mercedes, Ferrari, and Honda are all question mark whether they will continue under new agreement. Renault I think will stay.
    ...as opposed to suggesting they would leave (sounds so definite), and I think that's not what I meant.
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    Well we could argue semantics of you like. It's a very dull subject though.

    Publius Cornelius Scipio I amend my previous statement. Izumi said Ferrari were a question mark for 2021 and I in turn said they will never leave.
     
  4. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    And how many millions do you think it costs the teams to develop these driver aids? The manufacturers sell the power trains to the "lesser" teams, but NOT the aids that they develop. If the aids are needed to get the power trains to perform at their best, then the lesser teams can never hope to compete. Do you, for one instant, believe that a team like Williams can spend as much as Mercedes developing aids for the drivers? If not, how can they possibly compete?
     
  5. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Formula 1 poised to reveal final 2021 rules to teams this month

    Two things stand out from this. Not the regulations but the implementation.

    Time to draw a new line in the sand.

    1) Don't let the teams vote on it. Tell them its happening. This is F1 after 2021, sign up or sod off.

    2) Abolish the strategy group. From 2021, all teams get an equal say. End of.
     
  6. Izumi

    Izumi Rookie

    I am too in favor of more simpler life. What Mercedes drivers have is however not against the rules (FiA is quiet for now). Normative technical guidelines should take care of similar issues, and if there are consensus among teams and FiA, re-write the book of rules.

    Almost certainly I expect to receive some heat for what I am about to say, but I have no sympathy for Williams. There are other Tier 2 teams, and they do OK (Alfa). First of all, if Williams cannot afford to stay in F1, please leave. As a way of example, try to play golf in a club where 250k entry fee is a norm. Show up one day, and complain it is too expensive, and force them to lower entry fees. Then enjoy and watch what will follow.
    I am quite liberal in some of my vies on life, however the notion everyone must receive the same reward rubs me wrong way. Robin Hood series never impressed me as way to live.
     
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  7. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Agreed, Sport should have its winners and losers in competition.

    However, the playing field should be such that everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed. Imagine your golf club where everyone pays the asking fee to join but one member gets half their fee back because they've played at least once a year since the club opened, another gets half their money back because they were a member for a few years when the club opened, went away for 30 years before lending someone their clubs for a few years, then finally rejoining. A third member gets half his money back because he's a rich business man who would make a lot of fuss if he didn't. So now, you tell me if you would still be happy to be a member of that club?
     
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  8. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    Also half members are now playing with the others clubs.
     
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  9. Izumi

    Izumi Rookie

    For past 100 years there never was equal playing field in this sport, so why start now? The only what was the same are sporting and technical rules. The thing is, some teams have done better job with interpretation of technical rules, then others. Money alone don't solve all problems. To make a less expensive racer over what they have now is to write different technical rules. From where I sit it is less expensive and more effective solution over imposing budget bar, firing some engineers, and hiring accountants and lawyers instead.
     
  10. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    Yes but the difference is now that those with the money are making the rules. Which other sport governing body requires approval of its regulation changes by its team owners?
     
  11. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    I agree. You have to play with cards your dealt absolutely no problem with that at all.

    Let's use football as an example. In the English Premier League there are some of the richest clubs in the world. They have huge resources and global appeal.

    They are also absolutely equal when it comes to regulation and how much of say they have in the running of the sport. As a result of this, while Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal to name a few, are always competing near the top, on any given Saturday they could be beaten by Cardiff, Huddersfield or Fulham.

    Now imagine a world of Football where only the top six clubs in the league have any say in the way the sport is run. Before a ball is even kicked they are awarded a huge pot of cash for a trumped up reason, longevity, playing in red, sponsored by an energy drink or whatever?

    Then those same teams get to vote on how the rules go so they choose to back ones that make their position stronger.

    As a result football gets boring so people start to lose interest.

    Sky then step in and panic so insist that the goals are made 20% bigger to increase the chances of a goal, then teams can put on a 12th player but only for a maximum of 10 minutes per game. Then teams are awarded an extra point for scoring the fastest goal of the day.

    You get my point.

    Do I want to see all teams equal? Of course not. F1, football, rugby or combat marbles will always have the big teams and the little ones.

    What I do want to see is every team given an absolute equal opportunity to compete.

    Personally I have doubts about the cost cap.

    As I posted before, I would get rid of all arbitrary payments and abolish the strategy group. Remove the self interest of the teams and level things that way.

    No one cares how long you've been in or who your sponsors are. You are only as good as your last championship.
     
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  12. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    I think I said this before but if you want to see an example of a sporting body managing egos, big money teams and still managing to enforce regulations that keep the sport competitive and entertaining then take a look at the NFL. It can be done.
     
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  13. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Well, it looks like March 26 is the big day:

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-to-reveal-2021-vision-prior-to-bahrain-gp/

    A few choice quotes (from Todt):
    1. "....we have the cost control which is a new initiative and quite well advanced."
    2. "We have the engine regulations, which have been sent to the teams a few days ago..."
    3. "...and we have the chassis regulations...."
    4. "...and we have the governance [plans]."
    5. "....we...have the final package to discuss with the teams on March 26."

    The Strategy Group has to approve the regulations. The last time I checked the Strategy Group had 18 votes, 6 held by FIA, 6 held by Ecclestone (now Liberty), and 6 held by 6 different teams. So, if FIA and Liberty agree it will pass regardless of how the teams vote. Is this still the case?
     
  14. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Mercedes is on board with the budget cap (of course, there is what they say....and then there is what they do behind the scenes): Mercedes not opposed to budget cap says Wolff

    Quote (Wolff): "It (the budget cap) is still a work in progress but there will be a budget cap. We want it"
     
  15. Olivier

    Olivier Race Winner

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    sounds like the golf club near my house, fee is outrageous and even if I had the Money, they ask for references from a long standing club member.
     
  16. Anthony Yeung

    Anthony Yeung Spectator

    Is it technical possible to make tyres perform better, gain more grip, but without losing too much durability, when they get hotter(especially when they are closely following a car)? This way drivers can gain a improved grip/performance advantage by following a car closely to heat up the tyres. Can this improve overtaking?
     
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  17. Radical F1

    Radical F1 Learner

    The future of F1 -> FE

    Watched FE in Hong Kong. Far more competitive and exciting !
    You never know who will win and the cars are more equally matched. There's no such thing as MIDFIELD
     
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  18. Angel

    Angel Pole Sitter Supporter

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    I don't know the answer to that question but anything that improves proper overtaking would be welcome as far as I'm concerned.

    Welcome to the forum Anthony Yeung :wave:
     
  19. Dartman

    Dartman Points Scorer

    The present tyres do that, the problem is that the teams set the car up to run at the optimum temperature, so they overheat and lose grip when they get hotter and closer.
     
  20. Anthony Yeung

    Anthony Yeung Spectator

    I mean tyres that gives bonus extra grip, when they get warmer/hotter, without losing durability. To unlock this bonus by following cars closely, because of the extra heat.
     
  21. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Be afraid F1 fans... be very afraid - Pitpass.com
     
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