Ok, Izumi, you've drawn me in... I cannot think of anyone on this forum who supports special deals, compensation, voice at the table for any team; be they Ferrari, Mercedes, Williams, Red Bull, anyone. Your view of the financial relationship between the teams and CVC / Liberty just highlights the failures in the current Concorde agreement. However, it is a distraction from the core problem of the teams having a voice on the rules. The problem has always stemmed from the incredibly close relationship between Max and Bernie. Marketing was allowed to dictate/influence the rules... They should always have been seperated. Marketing capitulate to the big spending teams because they need the cash to pay their debts. That capitulation gave them a voice on the rules because Bernie couldn't give them any better reward. It won't change with Liberty because the debt is still there. Personally, I don't think there's a way out. Ken Tyrell was right. F1 has destroyed itself... and we are watching it's death throws.