Politics The EU

Discussion in 'Gravel Trap' started by mjo, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    The trouble is, as it stands we can occasionally grab an oar and club one of the other crew members over the head with it. While that may not be enough to change the direction of the boat it may make people stop and think for a while.

    After Brexit we'll be in a little boat tied to the back of the big one going where ever that big one takes us with out a paddle of our own.
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  3. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    It is up to them to decide whether or not to keep hold of the painter.
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  4. Titch

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    Well cider_and_toast maybe we should just let go and sail off into the sunset.

    And that’s coming from someone who voted remain.
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  5. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Mrs May suffers a terrible shock, despite all her to-ing and fro-ing the EU's position has not changed and the DUP's position has not changed. I wanted to put a bet on that she will not allow a vote next week either but the bookie could not stop laughing long enough to take it.

    'No way' DUP will back Brexit deal
  6. F1Brits_90

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    this sounds like the best deal that we have currently. we cant have 2nd vote because it would devide the nation even more. but we considering we decided to leave the EU & the extent of the leave campaign planning if they were successful was 'brexit means brexit' lets actually have a proper plan instead of panic rush job

  7. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Since there still has not been a "meaningful vote" taken by the MPs technically there is no current deal yet F1Brits_90 . I do not see how another vote would make things any worse than they currently are apart from which democracy is not fixed in stone but can change with time, ask the Swiss.

    I do not believe that Mrs May will allow a free vote of MPs if she can possibly get away with it. We are currently in limbo; one MP having a heart attack could change everything which I find to be a rather scary thought.
  8. Dartman

    Dartman Points Scorer

    Now was that a surprise, despite all the Brexiteers claiming the deal wasn't good enough, the majority of MPs are remainers and those who thought the referendum would sort it forgot that MPs do as they want.
    MPs generally are professional politicians who were either active in uni and or took "jobs" as political assistants to party's or MPs others used the unions or old boy networks most without any experience of life who have a pay scale far in excess of their competence or knowledge, many are there just to make up numbers and have no interest except that it a fast track to wealth and fame, you or the country are the last in a list of priorities.
    Many MPs are con artists who can vote to make their scams legal the occasional one gets caught out
  9. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Minister for justice with responsibility for prisons Rory Stewart was the Government's representative on last night's "Question Time". During the debates on the EU he made it clear several times that the consultations held by Mrs May have been to attempt to find out just what change(s) MOs would accept to make her deal acceptable.

    Having had a record loss she is still insisting that she will not consider any deal but hers. I am expecting that when she comes back to the Commons on Monday that her plan B will be a repeat of plan A, she seems hell bent on time wasting until it is too late for anything else.

    Later on "This Week" Alan Johnson, a former Labour MP who declined to run for leader in 2015 when he would almost certainly have got the post, criticised Jeremy Corbyn saying that the best way of stopping a leave with no agreement is to work with the MPs to find an acceptable plan. What a pair to be relying to on the country.

    Personally I am in favour of a general election; that way Corbyn would almost certainly lose (at a time when Labour should be at least fifteen points ahead in the poll) and then hopefully resign, or be removed from, the Labour leadership so a better leader could be brought in.

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