Current Stoffel Vandoorne

Discussion in 'Drivers' started by RasputinLives, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    That was impressive Vandoorne without the new updates was still ahead of Alonso all weekend

    They are some saying if Mclaren Renault is competitive next season it is potentially the strongest driver line up on the grid
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    So apparently Vandorne is under pressure at McLaren because he's not keeping pace with Alonso. Being as all the time, energy and resources are poured into Fernando and Vandorne has twice this season had to sacrifice his final run in quali to tow the Spaniard down the straight I think this is a bit of a joke.

    Poor old Stoffel. He really could have been a contender but has been shafted by taking time to develop in the junior formulas rather than jump straight into F1. What might have been if he'd taken that Torro Rosso drive. Even if he stays around for next year he'll probably be up against Lando Norris who will get everyone's panties in a bunch.
     
  4. Il_leone

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    RasputinLives The momentum is with Lando Norris at the moment leading F2 still . Vandoorne has been outqualified by Alonso so that does not help.

    If Mclaren don;t improve quickly enough then Alonso may leave which is a slight reprieve for Vandoorne but then he is likely to be up against Norris

    I thought Mclaren's young driver programme was effective but because of the impact Hamilton made and the additional problems it created . They've tried to do things more methodically as well as cater for Alonso's ego but I think people should look at Kevin Magnussen - the previous incumbent now is doing a great job at Haas and trouncing Grosjean despite his antics.

    Vandoorne needs one decent result to get him going again
     
  5. RasputinLives

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    Vandorne needs equal driver status.
     
  6. Il_leone

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    RasputinLives Alonso sees that as preferential treatment though:whistle:
     
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  7. RasputinLives

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    Vandoorne finally voicing (slughtly) frustrations that he is constantly being used as Alonso's rear gunner.

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/vandoorne-was-definitely-sacrificed-for-alonso/

    Not the first time his race or qualifying has been screwed over to appease Fernando.
     
  8. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    Hang on a minute - his team mate pitted on lap 20 and came out ahead of him. If he doesn't want that to happen, he needs to
    1. Qualify somewhere vaguely near Alonso and
    2. Maintain some semblance of a competitive race pace.
     
  9. Il_leone

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    Its a pity that he is getting the Fisichella / Piquet Jnr/ Massa treatment to Alonso. He is far more talented than that.

    Van Doorne was up there and messed Q3 by a tenth.

    I am not saying Stoffel should try and screw his teammate but he needs to remain strong mentally to come over this. I wonder if K Mag was still at Mclaren would he be as courteous to Alonso seeing he seems to annoy every driver on the grid
     
  10. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    I see what your saying Galahad but it's been more than that. In Baku Vandoorne had to sacrifice his final quali run in order to give Alonso a tow on his. If Ferrari had made Kimi do this for Vettel then we'd still be getting like a hundred articles on it.
     
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  11. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    Indeed, and that was unfair, however Stoffel's performance in Monaco was poor - he was running 11th, falling away from Gasly & Hulkenberg with no way realistically to keep Verstappen behind given the alternate strategy - so I can understand McLaren wanting to help the guy who was going to score them decent points.
     
  12. F1Brits_90

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    Vandoorne we know is a great driver proof of that in fr 3.5 & gp2. That 2nd season he was dominant. But he starting to get a repuation bit like bottas at the end of 2017. as it doesnt help that he has been outqualified at every race this season usually by 2 - 4 tenths (22-3 since he joined). Its that thing. Yes might be the case in Monaco but what about the other 5. As someone said something like "excuses stops with the stopwatch" at highest level of sport. You are always under huge pressure to deliver

    Alonso like mourinho in football when your beating your teammate, performing well you get more leniency & this is the season so far as well
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  13. HansyRod

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    "McLaren still kept Vandoorne out until lap 20 (...)"

    “I think we should have pitted five laps earlier."


    So Stoffel wanted, or was supposed to pit at lap 15.

    “We were on the same strategy as Nico and we should have finished right behind or even in front of him."

    And Nico pitted on lap... 50.

    I mean, I like Stoffel but how is this a valid complaint?
     
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    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    https://www.planetf1.com/news/vandoorne-not-worried-about-losing-mclaren-seat/

    From the article:

    “I have a long agreement with McLaren, so I’m not worried about that, and I’m especially ready for the day when I can really race with a competitive car.


    “A contract in Formula 1 remains a contract in Formula 1. Of course you have to perform but the team has complete trust in me.


    “I’m not worried at all.”


    Yes Stoffel, no one has ever reneged on an F1 contract have they?
     
  15. Il_leone

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    Unless Stoffel has got an expensive buy out clause in his contract, no one is irreplaceable
     
  16. RasputinLives

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    Get down to Renault now Stoff! Tell em you'll drive for nothing other than some French cheese! Run away from Woking!


    https://www.planetf1.com/news/vandoorne-a-possible-option-for-renault/
     
  17. Il_leone

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    That is an interesting statement from Abiteboul which means he probably is not pressured to sign a French driver or expected to promote a junior driver from the Renault academy

    Maybe there is a lifeline for Vandoorne
     
  18. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    Vandoorne in F1:
    Season 2017
    - qualifications: 3 - 16 vs Alonso and 0 - 1 vs Button
    - race (where both finished): 1 - 5 vs Alonso

    Season 2018
    - qualifications: 0 - 14 vs Alonso
    - race (where both finished): 0 - 5 vs Alonso

    I agree with MvLaren isn't good long time.
    But it's a weak excuse for the results that Vandorn shows compared to his teammate.
    Even with the fact that the partner - twice champion.
    Too many advances was handed out to Vandorn in 2017
     
  19. Titch

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    Stoffel Vandoorne .... how would he compare to Bottas in a Mercedes. In my opinion he wouldn’t.
     
  20. F1Brits_90

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    Stoffel Vandoorne like a few drivers the stats dont look good but they dont do him justice he is a very good driver. 1 of the best youngsters look back to GP2 season he won the championship by 160pts in process broke nearly every record he got the most wins, most feature race wins, most poles, most consecutive poles, most points, most podiums, most podiums in a season, most points & most points in a season. it had to judge in a McLaren as I can only think of Williams with a worse car. just unlucky to have 1 of the greats at the top of his game as his teammate

    if he can go somewhere get some confidence that the poor car has taken from him & then he will be good as you dont become a poor driver overnight
     
  21. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    He was a great junior driver - so was Jan Magnussen and dozens of others. It doesn't mean much - in fact, more F3000/GP2/F2 champions have failed than succeeded, down the years.
     
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