Current Sebastian Vettel

Discussion in 'Drivers' started by Speshal, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. Mezzer

    Mezzer A fine chap if ever there was one. Contributor

    I think he wanted to win far more that he worried about Webber's feelings and wanted to continue ramming it down Webber's throat that he was the number one driver.
     
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  3. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    Vettel: People confuse why I joined Ferrari | GRAND PRIX 247

    Good read. Sebastian, the philosopher.


    “If we can go anywhere near what Michael achieved that would be a great success but times have changed and what lies behind us is not really what should drive us in the future.”
     
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  4. no-FIAt-please

    no-FIAt-please Champion Elect Premium Contributor

    Vettel's season goes from bad to worse.The fact that he's is even still in the title fight after all these mistakes is surprising. I reckon there's about 60 point swing compared to Hamilton that he's let slip through his fingers.

    Australia - Completely outperformed by Raikkonen, safety car transformed his race.
    Azerbaijan - Could have taken 2nd but for his misjudgement on the brakes late on.
    France - Drove into the back of Bottas.
    Germany - The crash.
    Hungary - Again didn't capitalise when he had the performance advantage, Raikkonen felt he could've taken pole in the wet but for traffic. Vettel just wasn't as comfortable.
    Italy - Was unwilling to cede the position to Hamilton, despite the Mercedes being alongside.
     
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  5. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    I have written my views on Vettel in other threads; no-FIAt-please has summed it up well.
     
  6. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    If Vettel manages to lose the WDC this season then serious questions will be asked, although I doubt he'd leave Ferrari or they'd want to replace him quite yet. He's certainly doing Lewis and Mercedes a favour but the team are to blame too – Vettel should have been on pole at Monza but for the team's rotation protocol. They need to wake up or let the championship slip through their fingers.
     
  7. Mezzer

    Mezzer A fine chap if ever there was one. Contributor

    Who would Ferrari replace him with? Verstappen is still too impetuous, there's not many contenders to be in the number one seat of the top tier teams at the moment IMO.
     
  8. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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  9. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    Typical of vettel (and many other drivers) whinging when he’s ****ed up.
    Kimi raced him then Vettel paid the price because his attempt to take Kimi tesulted him in being vulnerable to cHamilton where lack of a cool head (and dependence on the stewards’ lap 1 lenience) caused him to royally **** up his own race.
    He’s a very childish man from time to time and it’s the main reason I don’t like him.
    Ferrari should tell him to stop arsing around and threaten to drop him for Ocon next season.
     
  10. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Or Kvyat.
     
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  11. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    There was a great option that went to Renault. But vettel for all his faults his still in top 2 of F1 & after Hamilton Vettel or Riccardio your taking a risk as much as i rate some other drivers on the grid as alot like hulkenburg ocon leclerc perez are good as no2. Only 3 proper no1s now verstappen is a good number 1 but 2021
     
  12. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    I don't think Vettel has won the hearts of the tifosi maybe that might be to do with his battles with Alonso where he decided he'd pay back for being forced onto the grass in 2012 for the year before and the subsequent whingeing and deflecting attention from himself for his robust tactics

    If that is what he was quoted on PlanetF1 then he is beginning to burn bridges at Ferrari and losing out in the political rows. That will start to drain him, he maybe tied to Ferrari until 2020 but Bottas has only a 1 year contract so should things go even further south for Vettel he might fancy knocking on Mercedes door

    I don't see Vettel staying beyond his existing contract at Ferrari because this will be his last chance to win the drivers title. Perhaps it has been suggested by Martin Brundle that Hamilton would fancy himself driving in a Ferrari in future and winning in front of the tifosi

    Its interesting the Italian media said Ferrari scored an own goal rather than make it out that it was Hamilton being over aggressive and should have been punished. One Italian press even called Hamilton - Schumilton in reference to winning 5 times at Monza like Schumacher

    I would think Ferrari may consider Verstappen in future if his stock still remains high but it would cost them $50m to get him or they might go for the team of Giovinazzi and Le Clerc
     
  13. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    Lewis would be loved at ferrari. Because he is attacking, a character, exiting, gets the maximum out of the car. Ferrari wouldve won 2017 & 2018 title with Lewis & tifosi are probally jealous of that. Vettel maybe a bit upset that after 4 championship why he still not liked more that kimi Raikkonen

    Problem Lewis is a bit too old after his next contract
     
  14. Clay

    Clay Test Driver

    Neither Ferrari nor Mercedes were ever interested in him and he tried to force Red Bulls hand, but didn't give a damn because they've got Verstappen and Gasly, who they knew they could promote and doesn't have such high salary demands.
    Unlike Ricciardo, Huelkenberg has actually been in negotiations with Ferrari and came close to signing a contract. Ferrari said no to Hulkenberg via text message - manager
     
  15. Mezzer

    Mezzer A fine chap if ever there was one. Contributor

    Is Ricciardo really on that very top tier? Not saying he's not good, but is he at that elite level? IMO he isn't.
     
  16. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    F1Brits_90

    Sorry, but Hamilton would be a terrible fit at the Red Menace.

    The culture at Ferrari is that success is always due to the car, and the lack of success is due to the driver.

    Hamilton thinks that any success he has is strictly due to him, while his lack of success is entirely due to the car.
     
  17. Mezzer

    Mezzer A fine chap if ever there was one. Contributor

    Yeah, bollocks
     
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  18. Titch

    Titch Smile Premium Contributor

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  19. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    siffert_fan you make a good point about it & hadnt thought about that. But his driving style would be liked if his personality not so much as he is indulged at mercedes which works when winning but like so many luxury players in numerous sports falls apart when losing

    This probally say alot about the quality of the F1 grid but 10yrs ago probally not as we had some great Drivers Hamilton Button Alonso Kubica Raikkonen & arguably Vettel who were elite. Currently i had Hamilton & Vettel, was really struggling as kimi is too old. Max is too young. Bottas is too easily beaten. Rest either never given a chance & in "LMP2" don't have a chance to be an underdog. Riccardio has raced really well won quite a few races & really should be a double monaco winner
     
  20. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    What did Vettel think he was doing on Sunday? Raikkonen was obviously going to go for it, as he should. Vettel did not need to try for position as with the long straights giving a good tow and it being two against the Feraris could take their time; the leader goes left, Hamilton can then go right in which case so does Raikonnen whilst Vettel goes right; Hamilton cannot go back as he has made his one and only move whilst Vettel can choose. If he wants to knpw how this works just look at two against one in cycle racing.

    Vettel gets too flustered and panicky when he is not in the lead so he can cut across those who are in front of him..
     
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  21. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Bill Boddy He's marginally improved from his earlier days when he use to try and squeeze people to the wall and always ended up losing out

    F1Brits_90 Mansell was 36 I think when Ferrari signed him and Hamilton will be 34/35 and as long as the hunger is there . I think he would be a great fit for Ferrari in terms racing wise closer to Villeneuve and Mansell

    Hamilton energises the fans which I think would go down well with the Tifosi

    It depends who is at Ferrari if Hamilton signs for them. I keep going back Schumacher had Todt to shield him from the politics which meant his focus was all on the racing.

    I don't see anyone at Ferrari prepare to come out and back Vettel and certainly the comments he made will not go down well
     

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