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Politics Scottish independence

Discussion in 'Gravel Trap' started by Brogan, May 7, 2011.

  1. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    Good idea? Bad idea? Don't care?

    I mentioned this in the AV thread but after reading this on the BBC site, it looks like it could be a real possibility.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-13315752

    So does anyone really believe that Scotland will, in a few years, be completely separate from the UK?

    I don't presume to speak for any Scot's as I have no idea what the feeling is regarding this.
    Personally speaking though I couldn't care less; if Scotland wants to go it alone, then just get on and do it.
    I don't hold any enmity towards Scotland or the Scottish people, I'm of Celtic origin myself.

    I expect the reality will be very much divorced from what the fundamentalists expect, or hope it will be.
     
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  3. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel Part of the furniture Valued Member

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    I expect Scotland to vote for the retention of the Union, although I do get that impression from the BBC!

    However, Scotland and Wales are nations in their own right, and I believe that some day in the future England, Scotland and Wales will be independent nations.

    None of these countries will be an economic powerhouse, but then again it is unlikely that the UK will retain this status indefinitely. There is strong nationalistic tendencies in all 3 nations.

    I do not intend to discuss Northern Ireland; the biggest can of worms there is!
     
  4. Fenderman

    Fenderman Rooters Reporter

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    Ooh. I wonder if that means that I can have three passports?
     
  5. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    Ultimately it's down to the people of Scotland to decide. The (English) Conservatives will fight tooth-and-nail against it, which seems a slightly odd position to take, to me at least.

    It's hard to imagine it happening right now (particularly now the North Sea oil has run out) but who knows? In just a few years' time the people of Scotland may be thoroughly sick of the UK Government and feel they're better off out of it.

    On that basis I might start the CNP - Croydon Nationalist Party!
     
  6. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    "Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
     
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  7. tooncheese

    tooncheese Hans Heyer Contributor

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  8. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    The irony.LOL
     
  9. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    A related news item and definitely a prerequisite I would have thought?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-13583705
     
  10. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    Yes indeed.
     
  11. Slyboogy

    Slyboogy World Champion Contributor

    Well being Scottish myself, I think right now, it would be a bad move, as much as we don't like the English (joke) we need them...

    I don't see Scotland getting anywhere right now if they are not part of the "UK".

    I haven't been following it that much, anyone here want to fill me in?
     
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  12. RevMaxPower

    RevMaxPower Banned

    Had the same issue with Quebec in Canada. One question. (Well ok, several :))

    Who is going to pay for defence - Navy, Army, Air Force? University Education, Health Care for the elderly, medical prescriptions........?

    You're on your own guys. Unless the EU helps out - just like they did in Ireland. And they are doing just fine, aren't they... ;)
     
  13. fat jez

    fat jez Race Winner Valued Member

    Not every country had a defence force - from memory, Iceland does not.
     
  14. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    Isn't it the intention that the North Sea oil fields will provide a lot of the necessary funding?
     
  15. Fenderman

    Fenderman Rooters Reporter

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    ... and would an independent Scotland not retain the taxes raised from the nations inhabitants?
     
  16. Slyboogy

    Slyboogy World Champion Contributor

    That is what I am afraid of, Scotland has some stuff that England benefits from, one of them being that we store their nuclear weapons here, as much as we don't like each other, we need each other. More so Scotland than England
     
  17. Porceliamone

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    Couldn't care less.

    Let them go if they want. Probably a good thing actually. Many Scots express great disdain for the English and would go out of their way to avoid supporting us on any matter.

    Plus they cost the UK much more per head than any other part of the country so the rest of us might see a benefit if they did bugger off and try and survive without us propping up their economy and healthcare system.
     
  18. fat jez

    fat jez Race Winner Valued Member

    And you wonder why Scots have disdain towards the English with an attitude like yours? Get real.

    So which part of the UK do you live in? I have news for you, the average spend varies from region to region. Are you going to complain that the north east gets on average almost £2000 more per person than the south east? Perhaps you should make them independent so they aren't such a burden on the rest of the country?
     
  19. Cookinflatsix

    Cookinflatsix Banned

    Did you factor in the revenues from Brent minus the half going to America?
     
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  20. Brogan

    Brogan Running Man Staff Member

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    New article on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-13685912

    Worth a read.
     
  21. MCLS

    MCLS Anti F1 fan Valued Member

    If they want to go it alone so to speak, why stop them?
     
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