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Discussion in 'Teams' started by FB, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Sauber

    FIA Entry: Sauber F1 Team
    Car 16: Kamui Kobayashi
    Car 17: Sergio Perez
    Engine: Ferrari V8
    Team Principal: Peter Sauber
    Technical Director: James Key
    Race Engineer Car 16: Francesco Nenci
    Race Engineer Car 17:Marco Schupbach

    Stats as of end 2010

    First Entered 1993
    Races Entered 296
    Race Wins 1
    Pole Positions 1
    Fastest Laps 2
    Driver World Championships 0
    Constructor World Championships 0

    The Beginning

    Following success in sports car racing Peter Sauber, in collaboration with Mercedes Benz, moved into Formula 1 in 1993. With Ilmor engines Sauber entered the C12 car (the C prefix for Sauber cars coming from Peter Sauber’s wife Christine) driven by Mercedes sports car drivers JJ Lehto and Karl Wendlinger. Lehto finished a creditable 5th in their first race and the cars proved fast but unreliable. When the cars finished they often picked up points with Lehto managing 4th in San Marino and Wendlinger the same placing in Italy.

    In 1994 the team became officially Sauber Mercedes as the Ilmor engines were rebadged as Mercedes units. Heinz Harald Frentzen replaced Lehto and the team showed similar pace to the previous season with a number of minor points placings. Wendlinger was replaced, following an accident at Monaco, firstly by Andrea de Cesaris and later in the season by Lehto. Wendlinger’s accident, following closely after the deaths of Senna and Ratzenberger at San Marino, resulted in changes to the design of the cockpit on F1 cars to provide greater head protection in the event of an accident.

    Red Bull & Ford

    1995 saw Mercedes leave Sauber to supply engines to McLaren. Now armed with Red Bull sponsorship, Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz having bought a stake in the Sauber team, Sauber sourced Ford factory engines. Wendlinger hadn’t recovered well and was replaced early in the season by Jean Christophe Bouillon. Sauber amassed 18 points for the season with Frentzen taking a podium for 3rd in Belgium.

    Jonny Herbert partnered Frentzen for 1996 and managed a highest of 3rd at Monaco, with Frentzen 4th, but the team ended the season on their lowest points tally since entering Formula 1 with 11 points

    Ferrari Customer

    From 1997 to 2005 Sauber used customer Ferrari engines and run under the name of title sponsor Petronas. The tie in with Ferrari extended beyond the supply of engines as Ferrari also provided the Swiss team with technical support.

    Jonny Herbert continued with Sauber for 1997 and ’98 and was partnered in ’98 by veteran Jean Alesi. Herbert managed a podiums at Hungary in ’97 and Alesi in Belgium in ’98 but generally Sauber’s performance was fairly ordinary. In 2001 Sauber hired young Finnish driver Kimi Raikkonen amidst protest form other teams due to his lack of experience. Raikkonen scored a point on his debut with teammate Nick Heidfeld 4th in the same race. Raikkonen’s appointment also triggered the sale of Red Bull’s stake in Sauber to Credit Suisse as the Austrian drinks company wanted the seat given to Enrique Bernoldi.

    Peter Sauber continued to give drives to promising youngsters with Felipe Massa racing for him in 2004 & 2005 and Robert Kubica replacing Jacques Villeneuve in 2006.

    BMW Sauber

    For 2006 BMW took a controlling interest in the Sauber team and BMW units replaced Ferrari engines. BMW “works” driver Nick Heidfeld returned to Sauber from Williams and the team finished 2nd in the Constructors Championship behind Ferrari (following the exclusion of the McLaren team). Heidfeld scored points in 14 of the 17 races that season. 2007 also saw the first F1 drive for Sebastien Vettel who substituted for Robert Kubica at the race in Indianapolis following the Pole’s crash in Canada.

    2008 saw Sauber take their first Grand Prix win with Kubica victorious in Canada and Heidfeld coming home 2nd. The team scored numerous podiums and claimed 3rd spot in the Constructors Championship.

    2009 was a disappointing season following the highs of 2008 as Sauber struggled with changes to design regulations. Heidfeld and Kubica both managed a 2nd place each but the team dropped to 6th in the Constructors Championship. By the end of the season BMW decided to pull out of the sport.

    Back to Ferrari

    Following BMW’s withdrawal Peter Sauber took back control of his team. Re-equipped with Ferrari engines Sauber signed promising young Japanese driver Kamui Kobayshi alongside returning veteran Pedro de la Rosa. Early season reliability problems blighted the team but by the end of the season, and the replacement of de la Rosa with Nick Heidfeld, Sauber began to score points on a regular basis. Kobayshi managed a highest finish of 6th in Britain and the team ended 8th in the Constructors Championship.

    2011

    Kobayashi stays with Sauber for 2011 alongside Sergio Perez who brings with him some much-needed sponsorship from Mexican Telecoms company Telmex. The C30 chassis continues with a Ferrari engine.
     
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  3. Josh

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    I was delighted when Peter Sauber rebought the team. I was afraid the team had to quit the sport, and I've been a fan of them ever since I first started watching Formula 1 (I can't really remember why... I think it was because I liked how their cars looked haha). I've stuck with them through the years and it's nice to see them moving up the grid. There have been a few setbacks but they usually finish in the points.

    I also think it's admirable how Sauber isn't afraid to sign young guys. I don't think many teams would have signed a relative rookie (Kobayashi) and a complete rookie (Perez), but it seems to have worked out pretty well.

    I hope they can get back their 2008 form, and start winning championships in the future. It's quite a way to go but they'll get there...
     
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  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    I took a liking to Sauber because of their original colour scheme

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    Loved the plain sleek black - pure and simple and to the point. loved it.

    I remember them scoring points in their first race and I remember thinking both JJ Lehto and Karl Wendlinger were both future world champions...........yeah ok I got that bit wrong.

    Never had a season without scoring a point and even nicked 4th in the constructors championship in 2001 (I don't like to count the BMW years).

    Whats more Peter Sauber always likes to give up and coming drivers a chance. All power to him for that.
     
  5. mjo

    mjo Procrastinating Contributor

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    It's good to hear that Kobayashi and Perez are staying with the team for 2012 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14325183.stm
    I rate both drivers highly, and I think Sauber can compete for podiums in the near future.
     
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  6. Senna's_right_foot

    Senna's_right_foot Pole Sitter Supporter

    Similar for me, although it was in 95:

    sauber1995.jpg

    look familiar?
    Incidentally, Wendlinger was in the same Mercedes stable as Michael Schumacher and I believe had fared better at lower levels so your admiration of him wasn't that far misplaced. It's a shame (for Sauber, not really for me as a McLaren fan!) that Mercedes went with McLaren in '95. Who knows where Sauber would have ended up had they paired up with Mercedes in the same way as McLaren.

    On today's news, good to see both drivers kept on for next year. Kobayashi is a huge talent as is Perez. Hopefully they can achieve some decent results beteewn now and the end of the season and get in some bigger sponsors for next year.
     
  7. Slyboogy

    Slyboogy World Champion Contributor

    Both Sauber drivers thinking this race was a demolition derby.

    Both of them caught up in two incidents each, one at the start for Perez then he took out Buemi and I am confused on how. Kobayashi before the incident with Hamilton had a damaged front wing, then the collision with Hamilton.
     
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  8. Josh

    Josh Champion Elect

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    You can't really blame Kobayashi for that second incident though...
     
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  9. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    Just something I thought I'd raise. How many times have we seen someone go into the back of a Sauber this year because the Sauber's breaking point was not where they expected it to be? I know Heidfeld went into the back of Kobi at Canada, Schumi into Perez at Singapore. Didn't someone go into the back of Perez at Spa and say the same thing too?

    I need to look into it but I think there is more than that and as its happening so often you'd have to say its either something to do with the car or something to do with the way the drivers are driving it. Maybe thats the secret of why the Sauber is so soft on its tyres? If so is it becoming a hazard to other drivers?
     
  10. Slyboogy

    Slyboogy World Champion Contributor

    Eh? Perez ran int othe back of Moose in Spa!

    I quite get what you are saying here, they always leave their drivers out on worn tyres, Hungary best example with Kobayashi, they always seem to struggle a lot, but then you can't blame them, you can blame the tyres for being so shitty.
     
  11. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Question - do Sauber still compete in any other races series other than F1?
     
  12. Josh

    Josh Champion Elect

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    No. The last time they competed in a different race series (the World Sportscar Championship) was in 1991. Their initial plan was to enter the 1992 Sportscar Championship but Mercedes-Benz pulled out after a disappointing 1991. They then entered F1 in 1993.
     
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  13. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    Article on Saubers early car launch and some xmas fun

    http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2011/12/12901.html

    Is it just me getting a feeling about Sauber next year? I know the whole Di Resta/Hulkenberg line up has grabbed the headlines but you have to say Kobayashi/Perez is just as good. The Drivers have been confirmed for a while so are obviously commited to the team, they seem to work well together, Sauber seems to have secured its funding now and they seem well in front on the design for next years car with plenty of time for testing.

    Lets not forget that before BMW came along Sauber were reg the 5th best team and even got 4th in the constructors back in 2001. I think they're more than capable for building a good car. Maybe not a race winner but certainly one that can compete with those Mercs and the Lotui!
     
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  14. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    James Key to is leaving Sauber

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97308

    Bit of a blow for them there as I think he's done a good job of helping build them back up again after BMW left them in a mess. Hope they have someone else lined up.
     
  15. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #bringbackmaldo Valued Member

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    TMP 2012 so far for Sauber:

    TBY.jpg
     
  16. HammydiRestarules

    HammydiRestarules Di Resta fan :). Contributor

    Interesting stat:
    Perez has now scored 8 more points than he did over the whole of last season.
    Sauber themselves are now only 14 points behind the tally they'd scored in the whole of last season.
    This is all after 2 races.
     
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  17. Slyboogy

    Slyboogy World Champion Contributor

    With Mercedes, Lotus and Ferrari floundering compared to last season it's not surprising, but it's still a great effort, plus the fields more tight making it interesting :)
     
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  18. ExtremeNinja

    ExtremeNinja Karting amateur Contributor

    5 stars for Raspy!
     
  19. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    I'd forgotten I wrote that! If I could only be so good in teammate prediciton and fantasy F1!
     
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  20. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    Ya know I think Perez had a great drive and I think he's a great driver but I still think Kobi is capable of beating him come the end of the season. I hope Perez doesn't relax a bit too much after a result like that because Kobi showed last year he scores points consistantly and will soon cut the gap if Perez doesn't keep scoring.

    Cracking driver line up as I said. I think they'll be pushing it to keep their 4th spot but if Merc's keep eating tyres and Lotus keep only getting one car to the finish you never know!
     
  21. kristi

    kristi Banned

    That very effective wind tunnel they have at Hinwill came courtesy of bags of West McLaren Mercedes money thanks to Raikkonen's buy-out way back in 2001.

    What chances Sauber gets a double helping courtesy of Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro money for young Checo?

    The amount of money potentially changing (Swiss bank) accounts could be eye-watering.
     

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