Liberty Media buy F1

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by Bill Boddy, Sep 4, 2016.

  1. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    No argument from me for that. Because a cost cap & level playing field would bring great racing

    But i think telemetry has taken something away from F1. As in Pirelli era sometimes its just engineers telling the drivers how to drive by data. Not allowed to push into the unknown anymore
     
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  3. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan. Contributor

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    Well Fernando seems to have already heard the drums and decided to follow the money.
     
  4. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Carey admits existing races will be replaced - Pitpass.com

    If, as the article says, Monza is replaced, I wonder if Ferrari will continue in F1.
     
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  5. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    Monza and Silverstone have been about to be dropped from the F1 calendar for about 20 years now. Frankly I'm bored of reading about it.
     
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  6. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    I'm bored of waiting for it.
    Never rated either for the last 20 years.
     
  7. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    He makes it certain, the bottom line is the bottom line; it's all down to to the size of the bid.

    Have they looked at the audience size for the races, I suspect that the highest are the ones which are timed for the European and US markets
     
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  8. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    There is a difference this time: FOM is even more money-grubbing than Bernie was, plus the latter at least had some appreciation for the history of the sport.

    One by one, over the years I have seen truly great circuits such as Rouen, Nurburgring, Spa, Clermont-Ferrand, Zandvoort, St. Jovite and Watkins Glen (you youngsters have no idea what you have missed) dropped from the calendar. While I prefer Brands Hatch over Silverstone, for me, the thought of losing the British and/or Italian races would, to me at least, mean the death of the sport that I have followed since the early 1960s.
     
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  9. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    interesting to hear from ross brawn & its why I have faith in ross brawn that F1 future is in good hands because he isnt scared of pleasing the F1 teams like Bernie has admitted that he always changed the rules to keep Ferrari competitive. & has come out, saying today. it is "unacceptable" that midfield teams have only scored podiums between them since the start of 2017. "2 podiums from a total of 123 [across the 2 seasons] is unacceptable, especially when it comes with an ever increasing technical & financial divide. It's a problem we are tackling together with the FIA and the teams, because the future of F1 depends on it. There are various solutions on the table & we must all accept that we can't go on like this for too much longer."

    Brawn: F1 midfielders' podium record 'unacceptable'
     
  10. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Brawn has been saying that for the last 3 years and done nothing about the situation. In that area, IMO he now has the credibility of a White House press secretary.

    F1 rules U-Turn forced Aston Martin change of heart - Pitpass.com
     
  11. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    How can brawn say that for 3 years liberty media only been in charge for 12 - 15 months. & he is hamstrung by Bernies legacy
     
  12. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    He was making statements like that for at least a year before FOM bought the rights. Everyone was pointing out his hypocracy since he made no such pronouncements when Ferrari were dominating with MS aboard.

    Now he is (supposedly) in a position to do things to improve the show, but, as the above-mentioned article makes clear, it will continue in basically the status quo, hence Aston Martin's demurring. FOM knows that Ferrari will remain in F1 until doomsday, no matter what, so they are primarily concerned with keeping M-B in, and they seem to have decided that they can only be sure of M-B's retention as long as they maintain a sizable advantage. And you can't blame Bernie for that!
     
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  13. considering that Britain and Italy ARE F1 (Mercedes is german in name only, Haas are designed by an Italian company, built by an Italian company, use an Italian engine and gearbox, etc, and there is very little Swisse in Sauber left) one has to wonder what will happen when the British and Italian GPs will be dropped. I also find it extraordinary that next year in Britain there won't be any free to air coverage, over here in Italy we get Sky and a delayed race on free to air TV and the viewers' numbers have fallen dramatically, basically people no longer care about F1, F1 no longer makes the news. I wonder who is going to pay big money for sponsorship deals if the viewers no longer tune in for the races
     
  14. Grizzly

    Grizzly Bear Contributor

    Would you rather some knee-jerk changes? I'm happy to be [moving] away from that circular pattern of bullshit and the only thing they have agreed not to change is the engines and rightly so! The proposal was to delete the only piece of forward thinking technology they have, requiring the current suppliers to redesign at huge cost, which will inevitably filter down to the customer teams and even then, no other manufacturer including Aston Martin would give any commitment anyway!
     
  15. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Grizzly.

    Race attendance is dropping, as is viewership on television. Part (at least) of the latter can be at least partially attributed to the move to pay-per-view. But the former is, in all probability, a direct result of the total predictability of the results for the last five years. When you can predict, with a 99% probability, the winners of the WCC and WDC before the first wheel turns, what is the point of going to the races?

    Mercedes' clear advantage for the last 5 years has been the superiority of their power unit, an advantage that is so large it overcomes the rather clear superiority of the chassis of the Red Bulls etc. Their advantage has, in essence, been etched in stone by the regulations which so limit power unit development.

    Given the decline in popularity of the series shown by the attendance and viewership numbers, how would you restore REAL competition for the two Championships if the power unit advantage remains sacrosanct?
     
  16. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    There is also the point siffert_fan that spending £300 for entrance fees and on top of that possibly as much on air fares plus the cost of a hotel to see the same result and race as last year's. I also try to make a holiday of it as well but, much as I like Milan and the lakes I might want a different holiday this year.
     
  17. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    F1 offers hints at grid penalty alternatives
     
  18. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Bad news for the sport in the long run:

    Just 14% of F1 viewers are under 25 - Pitpass.com
     
  19. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    Yes is in stark contrast to this

    https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news...imes-formula-e-captures-new-younger-audience/

    Formula E's top two age groups are 13-17 and 18-24 - accounting for 50% of its viewership. It's not F1 but if obviously has something right in its market.
     
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  20. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    for me it all comes down to terrestrial tv. because if its on there. you can watch alone but on sky sports you'll likely have to watch it with parents. i remember a joke by grandprixdiary on twitter F1 popularity got alot to thank for being on during sunday lunch

    & formula e have made sure that they stay albeit buried on terrestrial tv. cricket has seen there mistake if it did take 12yrs & F1 will realise soon
     
  21. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I don't believe in Zimmerman Contributor

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    I actually think terrestrial TV is a red herring. Remember this globally we are talking. F1 isn't attracting new viewers because it has a very elietest attitude in both it's production and fan base. Its made very much for people that have been watching it 15 years plus.
     

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